Three of the most scrutinized coaches in the NCAA have individual champions. Where is your God now, letsrun?

Yep that's right. Nothing to say for yourselves.

Baseball, softball or football?

running commenter wrote:

Plas at Minnesota

Mick at Wisconsin

All you haters are awfully quiet after ripping on them year after year. What say you? I've created this thread so you can repent.

One good individual performance among YEARS of under-performing and squandering talent does not indicate competence.

critical thinker wrote:

running commenter wrote:

Plas at Minnesota

Mick at Wisconsin

All you haters are awfully quiet after ripping on them year after year. What say you? I've created this thread so you can repent.

One good individual performance among YEARS of under-performing and squandering talent does not indicate competence.

I see you've conveniently left out Milt. You realize only one runner can win these events each year? It's quite an exclusive club.

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It's too bad Steve Magness's runner couldn't quite pull of the W

Hardloper wrote:

It's too bad Steve Magness's runner couldn't quite pull of the W

Now that would probably have broken letsrun.

running commenter wrote:

critical thinker wrote:

One good individual performance among YEARS of under-performing and squandering talent does not indicate competence.

I see you've conveniently left out Milt. You realize only one runner can win these events each year? It's quite an exclusive club.

At the time of my comment, I hadn't thought of Standford as much. They have had issues, but still bring several athletes to NCAA's each year. How many individuals had Plaz had at NCAA's the past 5 years? How many individuals has Mick had at NCAA's the past several years?

Quick look at Wisconsin men's Distance at last 4 NCAA's:

2018 Outdoor - 1 athlete (1 AA/Champ)

2017 Outdoor - 2 (0 -AA)

2016 Outdoor - 1 (1 -AA)

2015 Outdoor - 2 (1 - AA)

This coming from a team that made the NCAA XC Nationals meet for 43 consecutive years, and had been a podium team or top10 program for the previous 10+ years, and Big 10 titles were an after thought win. Now they haven't made NCAA's in 2 of the past 3 years. Once Jerry's kids left, it went to crap. ...and we won't mention the decline of the overall track program since he took over. So a total of 6 athletes qualifying for the meet over the past 4 years, with him coaching one guy to a title makes him an exclusively good coach?????? I won't comment any more, but I'd love an explanation how winning 1 NCAA title make any singular coach labeled as a genius (since you'll argue Mick's XC title with jerry's recruits, that statement can apply to Plaz).

Any coach's #1 job is to not F-up the talent and get the athlete on the line healthy. If they can do that, they give the athlete the ability to perform and have good things happen.

I don’t remember anyone bashing the NAU coach when they do great in XC and suck in track every year. In fact you guys praised him as the greatest ever when he retired with a national title despite all his XC athletes being second rate garbage in track.

I don't remember calling anyone a genius, but it's nice to see that even when they have national champions you're too dense to recognize your mistake.

running commenter wrote:

Milt at Stanford

Plas at Minnesota

Mick at Wisconsin

All you haters are awfully quiet after ripping on them year after year. What say you? I've created this thread so you can repent.

TF are you talking about?

I didn't do the math but I would rank programs by rolling together their team placings at nationals for track and cross country over a few years. I suspect that Stanford would fare very well and Wisconsin would be decent. People get too wrapped up in how they develop talent but if they can recruit, it doesn't matter. Results matter.

Metcalf had an individual champion this weekend?

Lets not forget about Gondak!

running commenter wrote:

Milt at Stanford

Plas at Minnesota

Mick at Wisconsin

All you haters are awfully quiet after ripping on them year after year. What say you? I've created this thread so you can repent.

Great question. I'll bite.

Milt is in a different category from Plas and Mick. Stanford gets a top 2 or 3 recruiting class every year so should be a consistent podium cross team which seems to be happening.

Mick inherited the best distance program in the country from Jerry and a program with the most consistent team success in cross over 40+ years and has allowed it to erode. Mick hasn't developed a single distance recruit from Wisconsin and has barely fielded a respectable distance squad in track despite tilting the program to a distance focus. More recently he inherited the most successful Big 10 track program over the last 30 years and allowed it to erode as well. Ollie Hoare's individual title does nothing to change this legacy. To his credit, Mick hired Jill Miller who has been rebuilding the Wisco women's distance program.

Plas has had a small number of superstars over the years but is criticized for not recruiting beyond Minnesota and not developing local talent. On par with Michigan he has the best local HS talent base in the Big 10, has the ability to tilt the track program to a distance focus with scholarships yet isn't winning Big Ten titles. Ali's steeple title doesn't change any of this.

So when these guys don't win they're bad coaches, but when they do have runners who win, they're still bad coaches. I should have known! Keep hating!

Magness, Metcaf, Dolen have been the most scrutinized as of late.