Lickety Split wrote:
Judge Beal: Yes it is unfortunate that folks don't understand that a normal enlistment in the Army is 4 years & would subsequently do the math.
That would imply that all athletes in the NCAA looking to join the WCAP would compete for another country immediately before becoming a US citizen. That is false.
You understand this, no?
1. Chelimo's silver and bronze are a waste of taxpayer money? Those medals are not fraudulent.
2. There are far more athletes in the ADP/WCAP training group than most other high level professional training group based in the United States. There are `17 athletes listed on the WCAP website, 15 of which are men, as compared to the Nike Oregon Project which has effectively 5 members left on the men's side, or BTC which has around 7-9.
I am calling you a racist because you are racist.
- Chelimo = Fake Soldier, thus his medals are a fraud. Personally, I pull for the other East Africans against the WCAP ... particularly Chelimo who can't seem to compete without controversy.
You do know that there aren't just Africans in the WCAP don't you?
Shhhh....facts get in the way of Lickety's agenda.
I really want to know what Lickety's definition of a "real" soldier is. With all his military experience I'm sure he could form a fact based opinion. Well, maybe not.
Your MOS, ie: your job, in the Army matters secondary to what the Army actually wants to use you for, ie: your assignment. The WCAP guys have an assignment that takes them away from their primary MOS duties. That is completely and absolutely 100%....normal. If Lickety had Army experience he would know this.
Besides most of them are Nasty Girls right?....I mean National Guard....
Alan
WCAP Green Berets will have to launch cruise missiles in IAAF HQ in Monaco.
Lickety Split wrote:
Les wrote:
Nope. WCAP sponsors NINE sports team, only one of which (track & field) is dominated by foreign-born citizens. All the rest (the majority of WCAP) are American-born athletes. WCAP is NOT a program designed for foreign-born athletes. It is available to all American citizens, including white, upper-middle class American born distance runners. All they have to do is join the Army. This they will not do because the typical white, upper-middle class American has more life options than the typical Army recruit.
- You must believe in Santa Claus & the Easter Bunny. WCAP's track & field standards are disproportional to its other programs. Not one West Point track & field school record holder could qualify for this team.
If you refrain from being hateful towards everybody who argues with you, people will take you more seriously.
Anyway, west point athletes dont qualify very often because their team isnt competitive with most D1 schools. I'm not sure what that has to do with anythiny, though.
One way to guarantee your spot in WCAP is to win NCAA in XC, indoor or outdoor track. And yet, despite around a dozen American born athletes winning a national championship in track eaxh year, very few pursue this program. The only one I can think of who is competing for the military now is Sam Kendricks, but he was already joining the military either way.
Lickety Split wrote:
- Chelimo = Fake Soldier, thus his medals are a fraud. Personally, I pull for the other East Africans against the WCAP ... particularly Chelimo who can't seem to compete without controversy.
The medals for anybody who isnt or wasn't a "real" soldier are fraudulent? In that case, we sure dont have many "real" medals recently in the US. At least we still have Louis Zamparini's medals and a small smattering here and there since then.
WCAP Men's Standards and number of American athletes who met that mark in 2017 according to USATF:
1500m – 3:38.00 (20)
5000m – 13:28.00 (15)
10,000m – 28:15:00 (10)
3000m SC – 8:32.00 (12)
Marathon -- 2:15 (20)
Alan
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Lickety Split wrote:
- You must believe in Santa Claus & the Easter Bunny. WCAP's track & field standards are disproportional to its other programs. Not one West Point track & field school record holder could qualify for this team.
If you refrain from being hateful towards everybody who argues with you, people will take you more seriously.
Anyway, west point athletes dont qualify very often because their team isnt competitive with most D1 schools. I'm not sure what that has to do with anythiny, though.
One way to guarantee your spot in WCAP is to win NCAA in XC, indoor or outdoor track. And yet, despite around a dozen American born athletes winning a national championship in track eaxh year, very few pursue this program. The only one I can think of who is competing for the military now is Sam Kendricks, but he was already joining the military either way.
- You call or insinuate that I'm a racist then you get it raw ... no apologies for hurting feelings.
- The point I'm making is that WCAP standards are so outrageous that it is almost unachievable to attain for a soldier unless you possess the exquisite background as you express. Oftentimes this is difficult for the talented soldier given their duties so I don't buy this Army Morale, Welfare, Recreation BS that paints a Billy Mills "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" story. The vast majority of these WCAPers never see the real Army and likewise -- the real soldiers never see WCAP. The WCAPers on MAVNI are both fraudulently enlisted and granted citizenship --- I'm glad the IAAF is catching on.
Lickety Split wrote:
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
If you refrain from being hateful towards everybody who argues with you, people will take you more seriously.
Anyway, west point athletes dont qualify very often because their team isnt competitive with most D1 schools. I'm not sure what that has to do with anythiny, though.
One way to guarantee your spot in WCAP is to win NCAA in XC, indoor or outdoor track. And yet, despite around a dozen American born athletes winning a national championship in track eaxh year, very few pursue this program. The only one I can think of who is competing for the military now is Sam Kendricks, but he was already joining the military either way.
- You call or insinuate that I'm a racist then you get it raw ... no apologies for hurting feelings.
- The point I'm making is that WCAP standards are so outrageous that it is almost unachievable to attain for a soldier unless you possess the exquisite background as you express. Oftentimes this is difficult for the talented soldier given their duties so I don't buy this Army Morale, Welfare, Recreation BS that paints a Billy Mills "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" story. The vast majority of these WCAPers never see the real Army and likewise -- the real soldiers never see WCAP. The WCAPers on MAVNI are both fraudulently enlisted and granted citizenship --- I'm glad the IAAF is catching on.
What's the point of the World Class Athlete Program without World Class Athletes? The point is recruiting these talents into the Army....it's basically marketing. Again they are mostly National Guard.....so "real" Army is still a stretch regardless of WCAP.
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
WCAP Men's Standards and number of American athletes who met that mark in 2017 according to USATF:
1500m – 3:38.00 (20)
5000m – 13:28.00 (15)
10,000m – 28:15:00 (10)
3000m SC – 8:32.00 (12)
Marathon -- 2:15 (20)
Alan
- Great stats -- now, how many of those 77 work F/T and/or deploy overseas like REAL soldiers?
- I would imagine more than 1/2 are unsponsored at the near-poverty level.
- Why doesn't WCAP target them in their recruiting like they do the Kenyans with the MAVNI program? A guarantee, A sure-thing, etc. These 77 aren't going to take a chance on the Army allowing them to go WCAP just like the Kenyans unless they have a Godfather in overwatch as they move through boot camp and follow-on training.
- Thanks for reinforcing my point ... well done.
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Lickety Split wrote:
- Chelimo = Fake Soldier, thus his medals are a fraud. Personally, I pull for the other East Africans against the WCAP ... particularly Chelimo who can't seem to compete without controversy.
The medals for anybody who isnt or wasn't a "real" soldier are fraudulent? In that case, we sure dont have many "real" medals recently in the US. At least we still have Louis Zamparini's medals and a small smattering here and there since then.
Yes. I believe that Chelimo was both fraudulently enlisted and granted citizenship and should return the medals.
Lickety Split wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
WCAP Men's Standards and number of American athletes who met that mark in 2017 according to USATF:
1500m – 3:38.00 (20)
5000m – 13:28.00 (15)
10,000m – 28:15:00 (10)
3000m SC – 8:32.00 (12)
Marathon -- 2:15 (20)
Alan
- Great stats -- now, how many of those 77 work F/T and/or deploy overseas like REAL soldiers?
- I would imagine more than 1/2 are unsponsored at the near-poverty level.
- Why doesn't WCAP target them in their recruiting like they do the Kenyans with the MAVNI program? A guarantee, A sure-thing, etc. These 77 aren't going to take a chance on the Army allowing them to go WCAP just like the Kenyans unless they have a Godfather in overwatch as they move through boot camp and follow-on training.
- Thanks for reinforcing my point ... well done.
You're grasping.
Nothing is stopping these 77 athletes from joining the Army. I'll direct them to my buddy in Dallas and he can recruit them. At this point the WCAP-Kenyan connection is simply a strong word of mouth. It's the same way you'll have Kenyan relatives all go to the same college over the years.
Not all soldiers deploy. Again you are completely clueless on this topic.
What is the mission of WCAP? Not your made up agenda.
https://www.armymwr.com/programs-and-services/world-class-athlete-program/aboutWhat is the Army's World Class Athlete Program?
A program that provides outstanding Soldier-athletes the support and training to compete and succeed in national and international competitions leading to Olympic and Paralympic Games, while maintaining a professional military career and promoting the U.S. Army to the world.
PROMOTION, PROMOTION, PROMOTION....you get it yet?
Alan
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Lickety Split wrote:
- Chelimo = Fake Soldier, thus his medals are a fraud. Personally, I pull for the other East Africans against the WCAP ... particularly Chelimo who can't seem to compete without controversy.
The medals for anybody who isnt or wasn't a "real" soldier are fraudulent? In that case, we sure dont have many "real" medals recently in the US. At least we still have Louis Zamparini's medals and a small smattering here and there since then.
USC is full of fake liars like OJ Simpson, Zamperni, Mark McGwire, Reggie Bush, ....
Runningart2004 wrote:
Lickety Split wrote:
- You call or insinuate that I'm a racist then you get it raw ... no apologies for hurting feelings.
- The point I'm making is that WCAP standards are so outrageous that it is almost unachievable to attain for a soldier unless you possess the exquisite background as you express. Oftentimes this is difficult for the talented soldier given their duties so I don't buy this Army Morale, Welfare, Recreation BS that paints a Billy Mills "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" story. The vast majority of these WCAPers never see the real Army and likewise -- the real soldiers never see WCAP. The WCAPers on MAVNI are both fraudulently enlisted and granted citizenship --- I'm glad the IAAF is catching on.
What's the point of the World Class Athlete Program without World Class Athletes? The point is recruiting these talents into the Army....it's basically marketing. Again they are mostly National Guard.....so "real" Army is still a stretch regardless of WCAP.
Alan
- Yes, I agree that WCAP versus the US Army's "market" is recruiting more East African athletes under false pretenses of actually being soldiers. It is BS and I'm glad at least the IAAF and Secretary of Defense are catching on. Do you really think "real" soldiers are crowding around the TV at the local USO to catch the Chelimo clown-show to uplift their Morale, improve their Welfare, & offer stimulating Recreation? American taxpayers expect these MAVNI soldiers to serve overseas in their culture and destroy jihadist threats. No doubt, college educated-Swahili speaking-physically/mentally tough dudes would be valuable on the Kenya-Somali border against al-Shabab vs Mo Farah!
Seems like a pretty straight forward process:
Alan
- You forgot the MAVNI application & endorsement of Colonel Ryan ... the next USATF Coach-of-the-Year Nominee
Lickety Split wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
What's the point of the World Class Athlete Program without World Class Athletes? The point is recruiting these talents into the Army....it's basically marketing. Again they are mostly National Guard.....so "real" Army is still a stretch regardless of WCAP.
Alan
- Yes, I agree that WCAP versus the US Army's "market" is recruiting more East African athletes under false pretenses of actually being soldiers. It is BS and I'm glad at least the IAAF and Secretary of Defense are catching on. Do you really think "real" soldiers are crowding around the TV at the local USO to catch the Chelimo clown-show to uplift their Morale, improve their Welfare, & offer stimulating Recreation? American taxpayers expect these MAVNI soldiers to serve overseas in their culture and destroy jihadist threats. No doubt, college educated-Swahili speaking-physically/mentally tough dudes would be valuable on the Kenya-Somali border against al-Shabab vs Mo Farah!
Again you're opening your mouth and words come out that make no sense.
WCAP isn't a program designed to boost soldiers moral. WCAP supports the recruiting mission.
You're kinda racist ya think?
Alan
Rumor has it, they have recruited some of those 77 that are "American Born".
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