Taking class in gifted and talented education. Teachers are upset most GATE kids are white and Asian and SPED kids are brown

some of the most talented young men and women in my class are brown. They are truly amazing individuals. One thing they have in common? Mom and Dad present. Mom and dad may not be married anymore, but they are BOTH involved in theirs children's education.

sorry - Meant to say black and brown. not just brown. Sincere apologies .

Google IQs by countries. Answers to all the "problems" of the US is right there. I don't know if there is a workable solution.

Moo Goo wrote:

Google IQs by countries. Answers to all the "problems" of the US is right there. I don't know if there is a workable solution.

This is one of the areas that the Left flat out denies science and facts. And yes, it is certainly comical.

Having mom and dad around trumps talent 9 times out of ten. Kids in married households, regardless of race, do better than their peers who are born into illegitimacy.

If you believe in evolution, you have to consider the possibility that some races are more evolved than others.

Only Creationists truly believe all men are on equal footing to start out.

Deniersss wrote:

Moo Goo wrote:

Google IQs by countries. Answers to all the "problems" of the US is right there. I don't know if there is a workable solution.

This is one of the areas that the Left flat out denies science and facts. And yes, it is certainly comical.

Actually, it is the Right that has the reputation for denying science and facts. So it is your statement that is comical.

At any rate, the gifted programs in schools are ridiculous. Every parent thinks his/her child is gifted. The truth is that gifted intelligence is rare. In a classroom of 30 kids, the number of truly gifted kids would be.............zero.

chacha wrote:

Deniersss wrote:

This is one of the areas that the Left flat out denies science and facts. And yes, it is certainly comical.

Actually, it is the Right that has the reputation for denying science and facts. So it is your statement that is comical.

At any rate, the gifted programs in schools are ridiculous. Every parent thinks his/her child is gifted. The truth is that gifted intelligence is rare. In a classroom of 30 kids, the number of truly gifted kids would be.............zero.

What a profoundly stupid thing to say. He called out left stupidity and you went with the "no, you" defense. And then tried to back it up by stating that you've won. And then you changed the subject.

He added information about the OP's topic of gifted education. How is that changing the subject? It is you that is profoundly stupid.

comedyrelief wrote:

Having mom and dad around trumps talent 9 times out of ten. Kids in married households, regardless of race, do better than their peers who are born into illegitimacy.

I believe this to be true. I add that east Asian families and south Asian families put a great deal of emphasis on education and are very likely to send their kids for extra classes or tutoring. I live in Manhattan where Mayor DeBlasio wants to change the admission requirement for the top public high schools in NYC (e.g., Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech, Stuyvesant) because Asian kids were dominating and black and hispanic kids were under-represented with respect to their make-up in the city's population. Mayor DeBlasio wants to change the criterion from the Specialized High School Admissions Test (SHSAT) to include "diversity" criteria, and a lot of the Asian families complained saying their kids study harder.

I READ SOMEWHERE that NYC made special tutoring classes available to help kids on the SHSAT, but the City only invited black and Hispanic kids.

Deniersss had to make the token potshot idiotic political comment. He deserved to be called out. And so don't you.

Currently teach AP and Anatomy classes in high school. Here is a rundown of who I consider to be my most intellectually talented kids. My classes are mostly made up of high achieving kids. Here's the breakdown

3 boys (2 white, one Hispanic)

7 girls (4 Hispanic, 3 white)

There is one more boy who is doing very well. He is also Hispanic. I feel his success is more a product of really high effort levels rather than innate talent. The other kids listed are also good students. There are a few other kids in my classes who I'm sure would test well on the WISC III (or whatever IQ test they administer these days), but they skate by on talent and don't really apply themselves. The kids I've listed are both highly intelligent AND highly motivated.

Our school is almost exactly split 50/50 between Hispanic and white students.

This is not to say that differences do not exist. My one low level class is almost entirely Hispanic and is 100% male. I think it's foolish to try and pin those differences entirely on native intelligence, as the OP is trying to do. There are many factors that influence academic success. Natural born intellect is only one. Others include

Home life and presence of 2 parents (as stated above)

Value placed on education by the family (I would argue that in general, white and Asian families place greater emphasis on education. My classes are far more white than brown.

Exposure to different ideas

Opportunities to travel (of my low level class, nobody has been to Yosemite National Park, despite the fact that Half Dome is visible from our school on a clear day.

Emphasis on reading at a young age.

Enrollment in tutoring programs

Nutrition

Sleep

I would argue that white and Asian parents do these things with their kids at far greater rates than Hispanic parents do. I would also argue that more affluent parents do these at a higher rate than low income parents. At our school, it mostly works out that our more affluent kids are white and more of our poorer kids are Hispanic. So, some might make the argument that brownness is the reason for poverty and low academic achievement while others make the argument that the immigrants who come to this country from south of the border are predominantly poor, have little education, have parents who don't value education, and don't have the means to provide enriching experiences that give their kids the additional tools to succeed.

This is my experience.

For another view read Hillbilly Elegy.

https://www.amazon.com/Hillbilly-Elegy-Memoir-Family-Culture/dp/0062300547

It describes the causes of generational poverty of Appalachian whites.

Moo Goo wrote:

Google IQs by countries. Answers to all the "problems" of the US is right there. I don't know if there is a workable solution.

I'm surprised that google hasn't rigged that search topic. Example: google "American inventors"

For 100 years there's been numerous Blue Ribbon commissions with the same general

recommendations

1 48 weeks, 5 days a week of classroom Academic instruction per year

2 Grades 7-12 Mandatory After-School activities or Grades 10-12 part-time job

3 Hire Nurses

4 Mandatory Music, Art, Trades, Algebra

5 Classroom Teachers receive hourly pay, overtime pay, yearly takehome pay same as local Police/Fire Department

6 Separate Staff for After School Labs/Activities

comedyrelief wrote:

Having mom and dad around trumps talent 9 times out of ten. Kids in married households, regardless of race, do better than their peers who are born into illegitimacy.

If you plant carrots then don't water, weed, and fertilize them, you can't blame the seed when the plant turns out poorly.

I agree with your post except that most Asians parents I know don’t put their kids in extra classes (I’m sure some do but so do other parents). Instead they demand good grades in the same way I believe some African-American and white parents demand achievement in sports. When I was a kid I got smacked for getting a ‘B’; I learned that I had to get As.

While this can backfire on some kids, it’s usually very effective. The result is that these kids are more likely to perform well in high school and do well in college, which will get you much further than being a high school football star with straight Cs.

Chauncy the gardner wrote:

comedyrelief wrote:

Having mom and dad around trumps talent 9 times out of ten. Kids in married households, regardless of race, do better than their peers who are born into illegitimacy.

If you plant carrots then don't water, weed, and fertilize them, you can't blame the seed when the plant turns out poorly.

We're losing focus here people. What are their PRs? Foot Locker placing, etc.

There is a harrowing angle to the American Indian saga. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome robs a huge number of children of any chance of educational success. Many are profoundly learning disabled. Add in the toxic stress of life in extreme poverty and generational hopelessness and it becomes clear why education is so difficult in those communities.

I went to a suburban high school that had both wealthy black students that lived in the district and (mostly) poorer ones who were bussed in. Many of the wealthy black kids with two parents went to top-flight colleges and got advanced degrees.

I now teach in an area with white, black, and Hispanic poverty and some (mostly white) wealth. Show me whatever demographic has stable families that value education, and I will show you the high test scores and high educational outcomes.

IQ, despite the original intent of the exam, is not innate. It is flexible over time, as has been proven by a myriad of recent studies. Poor children, and children from distressed families, show smaller learning gains than other students and enter kindergarten much less ready to learn.

It is really not that complicated.

You are Smart wrote:

For 100 years there's been numerous Blue Ribbon commissions with the same general

recommendations

1 48 weeks, 5 days a week of classroom Academic instruction per year

2 Grades 7-12 Mandatory After-School activities or Grades 10-12 part-time job

3 Hire Nurses

4 Mandatory Music, Art, Trades, Algebra

5 Classroom Teachers receive hourly pay, overtime pay, yearly takehome pay same as local Police/Fire Department

6 Separate Staff for After School Labs/Activities

You don't need to pay a commission for your list. IT IS Law in Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan.