Wisconsin Badgers Downfall?

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They won Big Tens last year and will likely do the same and be a podium team at home next year.

No chance they win BIGs this year, Illinois and Michigan are much better.

jaona wrote:

No chance they win BIGs this year, Illinois and Michigan are much better.

I meant next year they will win Big Ten, just to clarify. The roster they are running this year is not very good and will not do anything, but they're loading up for a great year next year.

Supertramp wrote:

jaona wrote:

No chance they win BIGs this year, Illinois and Michigan are much better.

I meant next year they will win Big Ten, just to clarify. The roster they are running this year is not very good and will not do anything, but they're loading up for a great year next year.

Remember when they won big 10's and were a top-10 (at worst) team in the nation every year? They didn't have to "load up" just to win Big10's every other year and make nationals, they were good and deep every year. The staff needs do something differently or go.

Agreed - Wisconsin seems to have this "wait until next year, you'll see" mentality going into every cross country season. At what point to call them what they are - a failing program - and do something about it?

Supertramp wrote:

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They won Big Tens last year and will likely do the same and be a podium team at home next year.

you beg a serious question, though... has a team ever gone from not making NCAAs in three of four years and been a podium team in the fifth year?

There's a pattern. Mick recruits a ton of top level runners. Footlocker top tens, etc...

It seems like these guys are already pretty developed, and then Mick tries to run them harder. Then the run 24:5x and Mick disparages them. Says things like, "the upper classmen held their hands around the course" etc...

He seems like an a hole to me, and just uses up talent, pulls scholarships, and runs guys out of town.

Bdubs wrote:

There's a pattern. Mick recruits a ton of top level runners. Footlocker top tens, etc...

It seems like these guys are already pretty developed, and then Mick tries to run them harder. Then the run 24:5x and Mick disparages them. Says things like, "the upper classmen held their hands around the course" etc...

He seems like an a hole to me, and just uses up talent, pulls scholarships, and runs guys out of town.

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Not a very good roster they are running?

Here is who they ran at Nuttycombe

Joe Hardy- 3:43, 13:59, 2x NCAA Outdoor Qualifier. 65th at NCAA XC last year

Ben Eidenschink- 14:13, 29:56, 157 at NCAA XC last year

Olivier Hoare- 3:59 Mile last summer and 8:07 3k in high school.

Finn Gessner- 2nd at Foot Locker and 8:47 3200.

Tyson Miehe- 8:16, 14:22

Zack Benning- 8:23 3k

Who was the 7th guy they ran?

Admittedly Benning and Miehe aren't high level runners but their first 4 runners were absolute studs in high school or have been good college runners in the past. Also Benning was really good in high school as well. Let's not pretend they lined up a scrub team. Obviously with McDonald, Hacker, Snider and Hirsch they would be way better but they still lined up a talented team. How many teams in the meet lined up a better roster?

vadger wrote:

Not a very good roster they are running?

Here is who they ran at Nuttycombe

Joe Hardy- 3:43, 13:59, 2x NCAA Outdoor Qualifier. 65th at NCAA XC last year

Ben Eidenschink- 14:13, 29:56, 157 at NCAA XC last year

Olivier Hoare- 3:59 Mile last summer and 8:07 3k in high school.

Finn Gessner- 2nd at Foot Locker and 8:47 3200.

Tyson Miehe- 8:16, 14:22

Zack Benning- 8:23 3k

Who was the 7th guy they ran?

Admittedly Benning and Miehe aren't high level runners but their first 4 runners were absolute studs in high school or have been good college runners in the past. Also Benning was really good in high school as well. Let's not pretend they lined up a scrub team. Obviously with McDonald, Hacker, Snider and Hirsch they would be way better but they still lined up a talented team. How many teams in the meet lined up a better roster?

Two comments. They aren't performing up to talent level. They are missing Snyder, Hacker and Hirsch presumably because of injuries which is a pattern over the last 4 years at least. Both of these are on the coach.

vadger wrote:

Not a very good roster they are running?

Here is who they ran at Nuttycombe

Joe Hardy- 3:43, 13:59, 2x NCAA Outdoor Qualifier. 65th at NCAA XC last year

Ben Eidenschink- 14:13, 29:56, 157 at NCAA XC last year

Olivier Hoare- 3:59 Mile last summer and 8:07 3k in high school.

Finn Gessner- 2nd at Foot Locker and 8:47 3200.

Tyson Miehe- 8:16, 14:22

Zack Benning- 8:23 3k

Who was the 7th guy they ran?

Admittedly Benning and Miehe aren't high level runners but their first 4 runners were absolute studs in high school or have been good college runners in the past. Also Benning was really good in high school as well. Let's not pretend they lined up a scrub team. Obviously with McDonald, Hacker, Snider and Hirsch they would be way better but they still lined up a talented team. How many teams in the meet lined up a better roster?

I'm actually surprised that group has such solid credentials. They were well outperformed by markedly lesser groups at Wisco.

Supertramp wrote:

jaona wrote:

No chance they win BIGs this year, Illinois and Michigan are much better.

I meant next year they will win Big Ten, just to clarify. The roster they are running this year is not very good and will not do anything, but they're loading up for a great year next year.

It's always "next year" with Mick

Olin has not done anything in college. Compare his college career to that of Grant Fisher. In high school they were the two best...and now?

Wisco has a history of good high school runners only doing well for one year at Wisco and then their performances drop way down after that. Too much fun in Mad Town???

It's that time of the year for Mick to blame the Michigan coach AGAIN for Wisco's failures

Marquette wrote:

It's that time of the year for Mick to blame the Michigan coach AGAIN for Wisco's failures

No, he'll just blame the kids. "to soft". "party to much." "aren't running badger tough" ect.

It's not the coaches fault that his 18 year old kids can't train like 23 year-old foreigners.

yorkie wrote:

Marquette wrote:

It's that time of the year for Mick to blame the Michigan coach AGAIN for Wisco's failures

No, he'll just blame the kids. "to soft". "party to much." "aren't running badger tough" ect.

It's not the coaches fault that his 18 year old kids can't train like 23 year-old foreigners.

We need Chris Solinsky to coach the men

Has anyone heard of any men recruits Wisconsin is getting next year? I've only seen women so far.....

No, it is pretty obvious, Mick can't coach.

He had a little success at Iona, a distance only program, with older foreign athletes. One good year at Wisco with the previous coaches athletes and a couple of 5th year guys.

He really is pretty bad.

‘Cause he’s doing such an awesome job at Florida......HA!