Speaking of age group doping, is this guy on the juice?

Thanks for a well balanced viewpoint.

Reading these cheating threads are always funny for one main reason - there are a lot of people who exaggerate and lose their panties merely over red flags being raised.

Smart people realize that nothing is off topic as long as it's done in a classy balanced way. Stay classy.

Coach Weinstein wrote:

"There are only 2 possible types of PED: anabolics & EPO". OMG HARD FAIL!!!

Anabolics/Androgens are falling out of favor because of the long glow times & improved detection sensitivity. rHuEPO/O2-vector doping is still King among endurance athletes, but navigating through the ABP is the challenge. And the detection sensitivity of microdoses of rHuEPO has also improved. GHRP-2 (GH peptide) is being used and has a short glow time. There's been a couple of lower-teir pro cyclists and one big time World Tour/top GT rider recently popped OOC for GHRP-2, as well as one female pro cyclist. If GHRP-2 is being used by pro cyclists, I don’t why it wouldn't be used in distance running.

I just assume anybody who shows off their body on the internet/social media is on gear. There is zero testing for PEDs on social media as far as I can discern, and lots of incentive.

Smoove--You are correct about people needing to be up front about their allegations. I was recently accused of doping by a "friend" and it made me laugh, but also made me wonder who else thought I was cheating. I'm old, still slow and fat, BUT, I have made some pretty significant gains in my times this year. When my friend asked me what I was on, I told him my secret--I have started training more and consistently, referenced the weekly thread you guys post (which I am use as cheap coaching), and how I had bought Daniels 2nd edition. At least the guy who accused me, he did it to my face, not over the internet and not anonymously. I don't think he believes me, but what can I do?

OP--there is no way to know if someone outside the pros is on the spike, so don't let your fears of a possible cheater keep you from being the best you. Keep grinding. If he is juicing, take solace in the fact that his balls will shrivel up and disappear.

Gold Digger wrote:

Zorro wrote:https://www.indy100.com/article/kangaroo-muscles-hench-size-western-australia-facebook-photo-viral-twitter-7994776

Blimey, that Roo is on PEDs. He can't get ripped like that living in the Outback without HGH or testo-suoplements. Bet he's a douche to the other kangaroos,too.

That looks like the Peeping Tom that kept checking me out for several months. Lol.

I'll bet he can't jump worth sh!t with all that extra upper body weight.

Moran, I'll use small words so you can follow along. All this comes from OP saying dude was doping *cause he's shredded* in the photo.***There's no other reason to believe this guy's juicing.*** And what does one take to get shredded?

Stop switching the argument to something you imagine I said but didn't.

You keep setting up straw men. Weak, bro. So, so weak.

Larf.

-Yeah, slander = compliment.

-You've no idea his fatigue level. Or maybe you're a perfect judge of others' fatigue while you're melting down in mile 20+ in the heat.

-Abnormal? Again, cmon. Compared with what? Your subjective observations? Cmon. "Looked" abnormal? Please, check out this new thing called science....it's wild.

Honestly wow guys seriously back off.

Smoove is dead on don't call something out with zero accountability...

That's weak...and hateful.

The dude is ripped and lean but damn I run with a guy similar it is certainly possible..........

This is absolute slander.

You can't hate on something your not. Please post at least who you are if your going to call someone out. I can't speak for anyone but myself but 2:39 isn't impossible and not that hard....If this guy was running 2:15 sure... but 6 minute miles are only 6 minute miles. That isn't fast, it just isn't. Sorry.

*For the record I ran 2:36:0- on 35 miles per week and I'm not Special.......I'm not average but not special.

Not a state champion and didn't run in college..... Jesus people calm down. I wasn't even relevant on my highschool Xc team. I was the 5th guy on a good day.

Please search 2014 NYC maratho 2014' 2:36:00 , ..you can check my strava 30-40 mpw... on a windy slow day 2:36 it isn't that hard. Not easy but damn,.. don't hate...look in the mirror people. Don't call someone out. That's pure hate.

He must be one of those "influncers" who make money off IG. I bet lots of gay guys wait for this pic updates which is probably every day. This is just obnoxious but its his job. Make money off other people's boredom.

Chuck Moeser was as ripped as this guy, and running faster, in his 50s.

What planet are you snowflakes on? The ones getting upset as usual are the ones who support doping..ahahah I've come across smoove he is a lawyer.. his default reaction is to

+ create black & white arguments out of gray arguments.

+ jump to defend drug takers/criminals/losers.

Requesting public identities to discuss doping on letsrun is laughable.. sorry smoove & fanboy this isn't a courtroom. From every doping allegation from Rupp to Walmsley go ahead please police letsrun with public identification..ha

Jhgfcv wrote:

Chuck Moeser was as ripped as this guy, and running faster, in his 50s.

Never heard of the guy...any pics of him racing? This is all I could find:

A few points:

- He's not that big. 180 may be slightly big for 2:40, but he's not exactly huge. If he kept his shirt on like everyone around him in the photos, you wouldn't really notice him.

- Alex Hetherington runs in the 240s at 190+ lbs at nearly 50 years of age. A 28 yr old running 2:37 at 180 lbs is really good, but it's not ridiculous.

- I suspect 180 is a bit of an exaggeration. Or maybe he's 180 clothed and carbo-loaded at the doctor's office. He looks shorter than the guys around him and again, is not huge or anything.

- kudos for him for running really good times, but y'all are too hung up on how "big" he is when he's not all that big.

not so big wrote:

A few points:

- He's not that big. 180 may be slightly big for 2:40, but he's not exactly huge. If he kept his shirt on like everyone around him in the photos, you wouldn't really notice him.

- Alex Hetherington runs in the 240s at 190+ lbs at nearly 50 years of age. A 28 yr old running 2:37 at 180 lbs is really good, but it's not ridiculous.

- I suspect 180 is a bit of an exaggeration. Or maybe he's 180 clothed and carbo-loaded at the doctor's office. He looks shorter than the guys around him and again, is not huge or anything.

- kudos for him for running really good times, but y'all are too hung up on how "big" he is when he's not all that big.

How tall is that 190 pounder you're referencing? Just as important as raw body weight for a runner is the height/weight ratio, or basically BMI. There's a huge difference between a 180 pounder who is 6-1 or 6-2 vs 5-5 or 5-6. A 5-5, 180 lb stocky guy would generally have poor running economy and limitations on efficiency. And injury propensity is another factor controlled by genetics.

I've known big, muscular runners (some over 200 lbs) who very seldom get injured and can maintain a consistent training base year in & year out which for them produces good performances. OTOH, I've also known big, muscular runners who are constantly injured, can't maintain a consistent training base, and eventually in end up in trash heap having to take up another sport (a lot of times competitive cycling).

Genetics in play...nothing new there.

You're so ridiculous. I have no problem with people calling out dopers. Just man up and don't hide behind anonymity if you're going to call out some random guy.

Everyone can figure out who I am. Everyone can figure out who master blaster is. It's really not that hard and I've been no worse off with my identity being known.

And I've never defended drug takers/criminals/losers; nor do I care to police LRC not do I demand anyone's name. I've simply noted that if you make accusations against random second or third tier guys and decide to hide your identity in doing so, I think you're pretty weak.

But go ahead and try to turn that into me being an advocate of doping somehow.

And go ahead and hide who you are while disparaging others (whether it be the subject of the OP or two guys who simply say that before you "out" someone you should have a basis or stand behind your words otherwise you look like a coward). Bad ass!

Just wow... wrote:

Gold Digger wrote:

That looks like the Peeping Tom that kept checking me out for several months. Lol.

I'll bet he can't jump worth sh!t with all that extra upper body weight.

Is that Skippy, the Bush Kangaroo?

I've taken bong hits before a run, am I a doper? Probably wouldn't suggest it if you're chasing a PR but if you want to feel like the ground is a cloud, try it.

Juicebox in Siberia wrote:

I can't decide. He's a big bro for sure. But he's only 28.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaAAzWmDjgQ/

Is that normal anatomy for the abs to be that asymmetric, or did this guy just screw up in the way he did his core exercises???

Do bong hits count? wrote:

I've taken bong hits before a run, am I a doper? Probably wouldn't suggest it if you're chasing a PR but if you want to feel like the ground is a cloud, try it.

On that line of thinking, what about caffeine? It's a proven PED and good-responders can improve performance significantly. What about DHEA? Creatine? Both are classified as dietary supplements, have some science supporting performance enhancing properties, and are available OTC. And there's the anhydrous caffeine/aspirin stack that some athletes use. People are always focused on the EPO, anabolics/androgens, GH type PEDs and don't make a stink about other performancing enhancing drugs/substances. Hypocritical and a sanctimonious attitude some people have with this issue...who would have thought. 😁