This is just what Bekele needed. We haven’t seen this passion in a while.
Bekele will run on pure hate, and will reach a new level of power, just like the conversion to the dark side.
Darth Bekele. He will have run last incredible performance, and then be done.
dskajfhasdhf wrote:
Bekele will break the WR within 1 year.
I'd like to see it. However he's old with a lot of miles under him.
Likely he'll run two more races and quit.
rojo wrote:
I always remember that when I first started coaching at Cornell my boss said to me in the first week I was there, "Robert, don't be afraid to piss the guys off. If the reason why they are motivated is to prove you wrong, then that's fine with me."
I was shocked by that comment but motivation takes on many forms.
Sounds like your old boss is a jerk.
rules suck wrote:
Dennis the menace wrote:What's wrong with Kimetto anyway? He ran just under 212 last year and just under 206 the year before his WR. Is he done?
After his win he was included in IAAFs testing pool.
Kimetto was in the IAAF testing pool from way back in 2011 when he broke his first Word record or world best if you like. He had been winning big time before his World Record. In fact he never lost a single marathon race up until then except for his debut. Broke 25K world record in 2011, won Tokyo in course record in 2013, won Chicago and set current course record (2:03:45).
Is Berlin really the fastest course. If I were Eliud, I'd skip London for Rotterdam if it can guarantee a fast time, good weather and less pressure.
A little help here, Frank. wrote:
COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:Had been interesting to coach him to a new world record with DANCAN-system ( at most 90-100 miles per week)......but.....It will of course just stand as a dream I think.There will be new upcoming runners that soon will take over from Kenenisa and Eliud and Wilson..... Just a little story about one of the new ones: Mo Farah have been reported to do f.ex 6 x 1600m at 4.20 min down to 4.10 min in preparing for the big races. A young guy in my training did last week 8 x 1600m at 4.20 min for his weekly LT-intervals. That means he should be able to run a 5k race at his LT-pace and 13.33 min!!
Ethiopia/Kenya Magic
Is this:
1) a very clever and persistent Letsrun troll?
OR
2) an insane man?
OR
3) a completely delusional man with rages of self aggrandizement sprinkled with confabulation?
NO NO NO!
Up till now, people were doing the right thing in this thread: ignoring this idiot, but you couldn´t keep your mouth shut! He wants attention, and you gave him that.
Who wants attention? Coach J.S.? You don't say? Why even bring it up?
hdhdhdjsbsbabs wrote:
A little help here, Frank. wrote:Is this:
1) a very clever and persistent Letsrun troll?
OR
2) an insane man?
OR
3) a completely delusional man with rages of self aggrandizement sprinkled with confabulation?
NO NO NO!
Up till now, people were doing the right thing in this thread: ignoring this idiot, but you couldn´t keep your mouth shut! He wants attention, and you gave him that.
Why ignoring "this idiot" that produce great coaching? Have you ever heard about a coach that is able to improve every runner that goes inside the system? And maybe he coach one of the worlds now biggest talents.I follow his coaching at Facebook and must say I am impressed. To me he looks very clever and I think he will be a big coaching name in some years.
Spenato Cantdova wrote:
hdhdhdjsbsbabs wrote:NO NO NO!
Up till now, people were doing the right thing in this thread: ignoring this idiot, but you couldn´t keep your mouth shut! He wants attention, and you gave him that.
Why ignoring "this idiot" that produce great coaching? Have you ever heard about a coach that is able to improve every runner that goes inside the system? And maybe he coach one of the worlds now biggest talents.I follow his coaching at Facebook and must say I am impressed. To me he looks very clever and I think he will be a big coaching name in some years.
You are right no coach has ever improved everyone they coach.
Just proves he/ you is a bs'er
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Spenato Cantdova wrote:Why ignoring "this idiot" that produce great coaching? Have you ever heard about a coach that is able to improve every runner that goes inside the system? And maybe he coach one of the worlds now biggest talents.I follow his coaching at Facebook and must say I am impressed. To me he looks very clever and I think he will be a big coaching name in some years.
You are right no coach has ever improved everyone they coach.
Just proves he/ you is a bs'er
Or he is the very first coach to do it?
Spenato Cantdova wrote:
Why ignoring "this idiot" that produce great coaching? Have you ever heard about a coach that is able to improve every runner that goes inside the system? And maybe he coach one of the worlds now biggest talents.I follow his coaching at Facebook and must say I am impressed. To me he looks very clever and I think he will be a big coaching name in some years.
He does say some interesting things, I am not sure that his "system" would work for every single runner but I imagine that he makes adjustments for each individual runner he coaches. I can't comment that every runner he coaches improves because I don't know who he coaches exactly. He does come accross as a good motivator making you believe in you can improve which is a big part of coaching - Lydiard had that ability.
That being said there are a lot of VERY bad coaches out there - generally they have "sucess" with a beginning runner or a runner who is coming back to the sport after a long lay off for several years and this makes the coach believe in their own nonsense and they delude themselves into thinking they are some sort coaching guru. However, whenever they try to coach a more experienced runner at a higher level they will invariably fail and this will make them come up with endless excuses when challenged such as the runner was badly trained before they met them and already finished, the runner ran PRs on short courses or tracks before meeting them etc etc but never will they admit that they just don't know anything about training serious distance runners and they never improve upon their poor coaching ability. Its almost like they have some kind of mental disorder.
From what I see I don't think coach JS has any of these hallmarks - he does seem aware that you have to be consistent and that you cannot do very tough workouts (for your level of fitness/ability) week after week to do this. I am not sure how he concludes what the best individual paces or heart rates are for an indivudual athlete. My concern would be whether or not it would be better to go by "feel" like Lydiard rather than being a slave to a particular pace each day as weather conditions, or the athlete's individual condition will surely have some variability over several months.
runnah wrote:
Spenato Cantdova wrote:Why ignoring "this idiot" that produce great coaching? Have you ever heard about a coach that is able to improve every runner that goes inside the system? And maybe he coach one of the worlds now biggest talents.I follow his coaching at Facebook and must say I am impressed. To me he looks very clever and I think he will be a big coaching name in some years.
He does say some interesting things, I am not sure that his "system" would work for every single runner but I imagine that he makes adjustments for each individual runner he coaches. I can't comment that every runner he coaches improves because I don't know who he coaches exactly. He does come accross as a good motivator making you believe in you can improve which is a big part of coaching - Lydiard had that ability.
That being said there are a lot of VERY bad coaches out there - generally they have "sucess" with a beginning runner or a runner who is coming back to the sport after a long lay off for several years and this makes the coach believe in their own nonsense and they delude themselves into thinking they are some sort coaching guru. However, whenever they try to coach a more experienced runner at a higher level they will invariably fail and this will make them come up with endless excuses when challenged such as the runner was badly trained before they met them and already finished, the runner ran PRs on short courses or tracks before meeting them etc etc but never will they admit that they just don't know anything about training serious distance runners and they never improve upon their poor coaching ability. Its almost like they have some kind of mental disorder.
From what I see I don't think coach JS has any of these hallmarks - he does seem aware that you have to be consistent and that you cannot do very tough workouts (for your level of fitness/ability) week after week to do this. I am not sure how he concludes what the best individual paces or heart rates are for an indivudual athlete. My concern would be whether or not it would be better to go by "feel" like Lydiard rather than being a slave to a particular pace each day as weather conditions, or the athlete's individual condition will surely have some variability over several months.
Utter B.S. Lydiard used lots of pace variation in his training and he is on record saying that his athletes did speed one per week most of the year around.
J.S. on the other hand talks about doing 20 x 400m reps each week all year long.
According to Dick Taylor, El Guerrouj's coach was on the phone to Lydiard literally every day leading up to the 2004 Olympics. So his training philosophy worked from the late 1950s-2004.
DingDongDongDing wrote:
Utter B.S. Lydiard used lots of pace variation in his training and he is on record saying that his athletes did speed one per week most of the year around.
J.S. on the other hand talks about doing 20 x 400m reps each week all year long.
According to Dick Taylor, El Guerrouj's coach was on the phone to Lydiard literally every day leading up to the 2004 Olympics. So his training philosophy worked from the late 1950s-2004.
Maybe my post was not clear. I was commenting on their (apparent) abilities as motivators of their runners - just reading what they wrote they seem to have that ability to make their runners want to get up and run and that is an important ability to have as a coach. This is not the same thing as whether or not they share the same training philosophies. As you highlight, one possible weakness in Coach JS’s philosophy is that he looks like he is applying the same type of training to every athlete for every week but I imagine that when he coaches individual athletes that he adjusts things to the individual.
I thought that Lydiard sadly passed away in 2004 but maybe that was after the Olympics. El Guerrouj's training seemed to have fair amount of Lydiard influence with a lot of strong paced runs ...
runnah wrote:
DingDongDongDing wrote:Utter B.S. Lydiard used lots of pace variation in his training and he is on record saying that his athletes did speed one per week most of the year around.
J.S. on the other hand talks about doing 20 x 400m reps each week all year long.
According to Dick Taylor, El Guerrouj's coach was on the phone to Lydiard literally every day leading up to the 2004 Olympics. So his training philosophy worked from the late 1950s-2004.
Maybe my post was not clear. I was commenting on their (apparent) abilities as motivators of their runners - just reading what they wrote they seem to have that ability to make their runners want to get up and run and that is an important ability to have as a coach. This is not the same thing as whether or not they share the same training philosophies. As you highlight, one possible weakness in Coach JS’s philosophy is that he looks like he is applying the same type of training to every athlete for every week but I imagine that when he coaches individual athletes that he adjusts things to the individual.
I thought that Lydiard sadly passed away in 2004 but maybe that was after the Olympics. El Guerrouj's training seemed to have fair amount of Lydiard influence with a lot of strong paced runs ...
I do think runnah has a good point here. Coaches like Lydiard and Coach JS seems to have that positive influence on their runners. And Coach JS is the one of them alive , and I think he could do great things coaching Kenenisa with a new individual calibrated system that of course not is about magic. But the results so far can be said to look........ magical!
read my name, kthxbye
stfu JS wrote:
read my name, kthxbye
Could be interesting to see that JS coaching on Bekele. That coach seem to have magic fingers. Every runner he coach just improve.
I never heard of this coach, and nobody knows the athletes training with him. The only thing I see is big presumption and arrogance, thinking his system (online...) is magic and coaches like Patrick Sang with Kipchoge know less than him (he said Kipchoge could run under 2 hours with his magic system). For all people knowing athletics, he is a big troll and a liar only.
Spenato Cantdova wrote:
runnah wrote:Maybe my post was not clear. I was commenting on their (apparent) abilities as motivators of their runners - just reading what they wrote they seem to have that ability to make their runners want to get up and run and that is an important ability to have as a coach. This is not the same thing as whether or not they share the same training philosophies. As you highlight, one possible weakness in Coach JS’s philosophy is that he looks like he is applying the same type of training to every athlete for every week but I imagine that when he coaches individual athletes that he adjusts things to the individual.
I thought that Lydiard sadly passed away in 2004 but maybe that was after the Olympics. El Guerrouj's training seemed to have fair amount of Lydiard influence with a lot of strong paced runs ...
I do think runnah has a good point here. Coaches like Lydiard and Coach JS seems to have that positive influence on their runners. And Coach JS is the one of them alive , and I think he could do great things coaching Kenenisa with a new individual calibrated system that of course not is about magic. But the results so far can be said to look........ magical!
trash meme is trash
Only I wield the power to summon Canova. That is true magic. I even demonstrated as much before hurting JS’s fee-fees a few weeks back before getting a lot of posts deleted in that Kwemoi (?) thread. Sorry not sorry. JS = new JAKIR except annoying.
doot doot wrote:
Spenato Cantdova wrote:I do think runnah has a good point here. Coaches like Lydiard and Coach JS seems to have that positive influence on their runners. And Coach JS is the one of them alive , and I think he could do great things coaching Kenenisa with a new individual calibrated system that of course not is about magic. But the results so far can be said to look........ magical!
trash meme is trash
Only I wield the power to summon Canova. That is true magic. I even demonstrated as much before hurting JS’s fee-fees a few weeks back before getting a lot of posts deleted in that Kwemoi (?) thread. Sorry not sorry. JS = new JAKIR except annoying.
Ahh, JAKIR, but he was annoying, he had one loyal fan (that sounded a lot like mentolin^3)
Ken Disley wrote:
I never heard of this coach, and nobody knows the athletes training with him. The only thing I see is big presumption and arrogance, thinking his system (online...) is magic and coaches like Patrick Sang with Kipchoge know less than him (he said Kipchoge could run under 2 hours with his magic system). For all people knowing athletics, he is a big troll and a liar only.
Hi Ken! I assure you that in Kenya all the big names,runners and coaches and managers, knows me. Once I was even threatened by a representant from one of the big managements over there........not because I was doing something wrong.....the young promising runner I coached threw one of my other runners didn`t inform me he had a contract with that management.I indirect coached that runner in just 2-3 weeks and he ran better than ever....after my short coaching the runner has gone back to his former level. Some of the big managers over there doesn`t allow their runners to be coached by "outsiders" even if there is nothing in the runners contract that say they are bound to the managements coaches. I have never said that Patrick Sang knows less then me. He is a great coach! I just say that I am convinced that with my system I could have get out some more % of Kipchoge`s, Kamworor`s and even Kiprop`s capacity. And don`t call me a liar! Kamworor ASKED me to coach him to a new world record at 15 k road and Kiprop(self coached nowadays) first agreed to be coached by me during his winther buildup.... I never lye about things connected to my runners and running.
I am convinced that I can get out that extra % of every given runner like f.ex Bekele or Rupp.....not because of imaginary coaching ,more because I produce real improvement in every runner that so far have gone into the system.
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
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