Deadliest mass shooting in US history in Las Vegas - More than 50 dead

I think the 2nd amendment has run its course of usefulness. I can see the necessity of owing a musket or two in the late 1700s into the late 1800s. In Boston in 1775 there were roughly 15,000 people and the English were using the same weaponry as the militias.

Today though public citizens even if they want to own weapons for the sole purpose of rising up against a tyrannical government have lost.The boys up in the backwoods of Montana might have an arsenal of ARs and other military grade weapons. However if they tried to put down a tyrant in DC they are no match for Abram Tanks, Apache Helicopters and other advanced military tools.

Give up the guns or at least give up the need to own these weapons of war.

faulty thinking on display wrote:

In other words you're letting us know that this event has completely overwhelmed your already poor ability to think logically and rationally.

wow, what a wonderfully devoid of content reply/point!

NOTHING I wrote was illogical or irrational. And you certainly wrote nothing to demonstrate that it was.

AussieAussieAussie wrote:

I think the 2nd amendment has run its course of usefulness.

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Unfortunately the liberals in our country think the 1st amendment has run its course and beat people into silence, usually while the police stand by and let it happen, so we need the second amendment to protect the 1st.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

faulty thinking on display wrote:

In other words you're letting us know that this event has completely overwhelmed your already poor ability to think logically and rationally.

wow, what a wonderfully devoid of content reply/point!

NOTHING I wrote was illogical or irrational. And you certainly wrote nothing to demonstrate that it was.

You blamed innocent people for crimes they didn't commit. Your hatred has consumed you. If you believe what you wrote, then you can justify punishing innocent people. You are a direct threat to civilization and the rule of law.

DiscoGary wrote:

Unfortunately the liberals in our country think the 1st amendment has run its course and beat people into silence, usually while the police stand by and let it happen, so we need the second amendment to protect the 1st.

Please name one time you have needed a gun to uphold your first amendment right.

Gary please change your username to GOPSnowflake.When did the police send by and let liberals beat people into silence?You are so delusional it is sad. Please tell me you are a troll.

DiscoGary wrote:

AussieAussieAussie wrote:

I think the 2nd amendment has run its course of usefulness.

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Unfortunately the liberals in our country think the 1st amendment has run its course and beat people into silence, usually while the police stand by and let it happen, so we need the second amendment to protect the 1st.

fgfsfae wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Unfortunately the liberals in our country think the 1st amendment has run its course and beat people into silence, usually while the police stand by and let it happen, so we need the second amendment to protect the 1st.

Please name one time you have needed a gun to uphold your first amendment right.

I tried to attend the Trump rally in Chicago that was shut down by liberal fascists. I did not have a gun with me, and in this case the police did their job and kept the liberal fascists from beating up on rally attendees.

Trump's right to free speech was violated and my right to freely assemble was violated. Things have gotten worse since then. At some point we can not allow liberal fascists to determine which rights we have. At some point we can not allow liberal fascists to beat us up for violating their twisted PC rules. At some point we will have to fight back. At that point guns may be needed.

Hopefully, the mere fact that those guns exist will be a deterrent for our liberal fascist friends, and that they choose a more peaceful way to force others to live by their PC rule book. That's my hope anyway.

So you want to kill the police and assume their role to kill liberals? Remember this day Lets Run - DiscoGary wants police officers killed.

DiscoGary wrote:

AussieAussieAussie wrote:

I think the 2nd amendment has run its course of usefulness.

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Unfortunately the liberals in our country think the 1st amendment has run its course and beat people into silence, usually while the police stand by and let it happen, so we need the second amendment to protect the 1st.

Answer:

against an armed citizenry -> doesn't happen

against an unarmed citizenry -> holocaust, mass murder, camps, oppression

History is littered with better-armed groups murdering and oppressing less-armed groups. Bottom line: it happens and that's why the Founders enshrined a countermeasure in our Constitution.

And regarding your comment about pleasure of seeing the other side in pain, the only significant group of people that maintain vitriol for another sizable group in our society is the leftist/Hollywood/media/liberal East & West coasters and their attitude towards red/flyover state Republicans.

Hillary summarized this perspective when she called us unredeemable and deplorable. As a society, we need to take a closer look at where the hatred resides in our country. It's not the usual suspects.

BobbyAxelRod wrote:

Gary please change your username to GOPSnowflake.

When did the police send by and let liberals beat people into silence?

You are so delusional it is sad. Please tell me you are a troll.

DiscoGary wrote:

Unfortunately the liberals in our country think the 1st amendment has run its course and beat people into silence, usually while the police stand by and let it happen, so we need the second amendment to protect the 1st.

DiscoGary wrote:

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

wow, what a wonderfully devoid of content reply/point!

NOTHING I wrote was illogical or irrational. And you certainly wrote nothing to demonstrate that it was.

You blamed innocent people for crimes they didn't commit. Your hatred has consumed you. If you believe what you wrote, then you can justify punishing innocent people. You are a direct threat to civilization and the rule of law.

People can be "at fault" for things they don't directly do. Yes. If you vote for people who support certain laws or lack of laws, and people die because of those actions/inactions, then yes, you are, in part, certainly to blame for those deaths. I didn't say it was prosecutable offense.

and as usual, you completely contradict yourself/are being a hypocrite:

you say that I "justify punishing innocent people" simple because of their views. Yet YOU write that I am a "a direct threat to civilization and the rule of law". Sounds like YOU are arguing for the prosecution of an innocent person who has only spoken his mind, because, be honest, people who are "direct threats to civilization and the rule of law" can be locked up.

Like arguing with a child.

I am a gun owner, and I am deeply saddened by the events in Vegas. Not because how it might affect me, but because innocent people were killed. Lots of gun owners, just like me, think there should be severe restrictions on ownership.

Just Amazed wrote:

That's the American addiction to firearms! Notice on this thread how the gun-addicted people could give a shit about the innocent victims slaughtered and are more worried about their stupid gun rights. I find that repugnant given the horror of the slaughter that occurred. I would bet, however, if it was a family member or loved one of some of these posters that was slaughtered they'd be talking a different game. 😉

Please stop using OUR invention, the internet, to communicate.

BarryP wrote:

I hate guns and white people.

We still don't know what the motivation was, or who the "you're going to die" woman is and why she said that.

This seems to be THE combination--hate and lots of guns.

Here eye am wrote:

Great work Americans. Even a tragic event cannot bring together your politically separated country.

Your hatred for each other is deeper than I could’ve imagined.

krispy klamcakes wrote:

Answer:

against an armed citizenry -> doesn't happen

against an unarmed citizenry -> holocaust, mass murder, camps, oppression

History is littered with better-armed groups murdering and oppressing less-armed groups. Bottom line: it happens and that's why the Founders enshrined a countermeasure in our Constitution.

And regarding your comment about pleasure of seeing the other side in pain, the only significant group of people that maintain vitriol for another sizable group in our society is the leftist/Hollywood/media/liberal East & West coasters and their attitude towards red/flyover state Republicans.

Hillary summarized this perspective when she called us unredeemable and deplorable. As a society, we need to take a closer look at where the hatred resides in our country. It's not the usual suspects.

So let's be clear: you want guns so you can kill the police and military if you decide the government has become tyrannical?

I always roll my eyes at the "logic" that more armed citizenry would have stopped this guy. So you want some 64 yo Repub running around in a battle situation firing off his guns. How many civilians would likely get shot by the "defender".

Also, Stand Your Ground is legal murder in most instances. Especially when the other guy has no gun. Anyone can say they feel threatened at any time

I believe that you are not alone in your position within the subset of our population that are gun owners. I wonder if you realize how much the NRA dictates legislation in this country? Or how unreasonable/intimidating/irrational their leadership is when dealing with both GOP and Dem legislators that participate in dialog regarding gun control?

REAL gun owner wrote:

I am a gun owner, and I am deeply saddened by the events in Vegas. Not because how it might affect me, but because innocent people were killed. Lots of gun owners, just like me, think there should be severe restrictions on ownership.

Just Amazed wrote:

That's the American addiction to firearms! Notice on this thread how the gun-addicted people could give a shit about the innocent victims slaughtered and are more worried about their stupid gun rights. I find that repugnant given the horror of the slaughter that occurred. I would bet, however, if it was a family member or loved one of some of these posters that was slaughtered they'd be talking a different game. 😉

+1 Very well said 👍