Stpehan Shay and Nathan Shay filed complaint use of excessive force by HB Police

Here's the complaint, for anyone interested:

http://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Marathoner.pdf

That's nuffin' man.

Excessive force and abuse of power is a real problem amongst police. It's hard to win a case in court against police as the judges will protect the officers and police culture unless there is damning video evidence open to the public. Some people may think it's over the top or desperate to blame officers for athletic shortcomings, but I know damn well officers abuse their power so I can see Shays point.

Yeah right.

How many of you had Stephen making the team?

The article says that according to court records, neither was charged with a crime. That is good.

Stephen, Nathan, and Dr Tao are fortunate the cops they encountered are not United States Marines. Otherwise they would have been choked, beaten,bones snapped, until they were dead.

28 pages....

Longer than my attention span.

Is there more than a fringe chance this is seen in court?

Of course, I know almost no facts but this sounds like it will be settled out of court.

I read the article, which by the way is only 1 page.

Shay had run 2:16, and devoted the last few years to competing in the 2016 trials.

The out of control cop dashed his hopes, by beating him up and putting him in the hospital due to the injuries that they caused. The reason? He was considerable distance away from them, and was using his cell phone to film his brother.

I hope he wins and they have to pay him a very large settlement.

I hope the shays somehow win this one. I hate pigs who abuse power.

I am sure this is exactly what almost all similar claims are:

Stephan Shay was being arrested for something (in this case, DUI), and Nathan starts interjecting and interfering in the police investigation (field sobriety tests int his case). He is advised to stay out of the way or be arrested for obstructing/delaying/resisting a police officer in the performance of his/her duties.

Nathan ignores the warning, continues to talk shit and act aggressively and interfere before the police act on their warning and arrest him for the obstructing. He resists and the injuries resulted.

Unbelievable to the masses? Yes. Actually occurs with great frequency on the streets? Yes.

Both are probably guilty, and both are probably damned lucky the D.A. decided to drop this whole mess. Now they want to capitalize on their irresponsible and destructive behaviors. Viva Lawyers!!

You have the roles of Stephan and Nathan reversed.

According to the article, Nathan was pulled over for suspicion of DUI, according to the cops. He blew 0.0%. Not a drop of alcohol.Stephan is out for a run, sees his brother with the cops, and starts filming. From the sidewalk, if you believe the complaint.It IS possible that the brothers lipped off. We like to believe we live in a free society, and people do not have to act in an obsequious manner to the authorities. You have to obey a legal, legitimate order by a police officer during an investigation, but you're not required to kowtow to authorities and never voice an objection or contrary opinion.The likelihood of avoiding trouble with the cops and avoiding arrest goes up if you cooperate somewhat, no matter how innocent and upstanding you are as a citizen. It is also possible Stephan just continued to film after being told to move along. Some police don't like that at all, and maybe these officers decided to push around a couple of skinny distance runners who were not acting properly deferential. It may be a surprise to you to know that some cops act like complete jackasses (not sure if that's the case here or not.)Although possible, it's unlikely these scrawny brothers tried to start a physical altercation. Both are probably guilty? Of what?

Adam Henry wrote:

I am sure this is exactly what almost all similar claims are:

Stephan Shay was being arrested for something (in this case, DUI), and Nathan starts interjecting and interfering in the police investigation (field sobriety tests int his case). He is advised to stay out of the way or be arrested for obstructing/delaying/resisting a police officer in the performance of his/her duties.

Nathan ignores the warning, continues to talk shit and act aggressively and interfere before the police act on their warning and arrest him for the obstructing. He resists and the injuries resulted.

Unbelievable to the masses? Yes. Actually occurs with great frequency on the streets? Yes.

Both are probably guilty, and both are probably damned lucky the D.A. decided to drop this whole mess. Now they want to capitalize on their irresponsible and destructive behaviors. Viva Lawyers!!

Stillhotlovemonroe wrote:

Excessive force and abuse of power is a real problem amongst police. It's hard to win a case in court against police as the judges will protect the officers and police culture unless there is damning video evidence open to the public. Some people may think it's over the top or desperate to blame officers for athletic shortcomings, but I know damn well officers abuse their power so I can see Shays point.

Some interesting reading. SoCal police departments in general have a bad reputation for abuse of force.

I was surprised to see he runs with his phone.

Comply with police directives and there is very very little chance there will be a problem. Almost never is if you've don't nothing wrong and then cooperate with law enforcement.

If the dude blew a 0.0 then the cops would have sent him on his way eventually.

Brother has to get involved in police business and was likely belligerent. He got what was coming.

Cops are out there trying to get drunks off the road. Drunks who kill people about 10k to 20k per year. Let LE do their job and respect their authority.

John Utah wrote:

Comply with police directives and there is very very little chance there will be a problem. Almost never is if you've don't nothing wrong and then cooperate with law enforcement.

If the dude blew a 0.0 then the cops would have sent him on his way eventually.

Brother has to get involved in police business and was likely belligerent. He got what was coming.

Cops are out there trying to get drunks off the road. Drunks who kill people about 10k to 20k per year. Let LE do their job and respect their authority.

How much harm does a runner with a cell phone do? No f'ing way that recording interactions with Police means one should be tackled.

In today's society video recording the police can also save innocent lives.

That's BS. If the brother is allowed to film, which he is, the cops have no right to make up crap because they don't like it. Belligerent??? He's not allowed to talk or film? Cops were wrong and were hoping to make an arrest since the 0.0 showed up. If they want respect, they have to give it as well and not look for crap as a reason to justify arresting someone. I know LOTS of cops and yes, most abuse their power big time, not all, but most. I don't drink, smoke, take drugs and I've never been pulled over, but I've seen a lot and they have a bad rep for a reason (OH IF I COULD TELL YOU THE CRAP IN MICHIGAN YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!). And yes, corrupt Judges who take oaths protect them to the nth degree.

John Utah wrote:

Comply with police directives and there is very very little chance there will be a problem. Almost never is if you've don't nothing wrong and then cooperate with law enforcement.

If the dude blew a 0.0 then the cops would have sent him on his way eventually.

Brother has to get involved in police business and was likely belligerent. He got what was coming.

Cops are out there trying to get drunks off the road. Drunks who kill people about 10k to 20k per year. Let LE do their job and respect their authority.

F@c$ you Keanu. I don't have to be nice to cops. I don't have to say yes sir. I don't have to do what they tell me when it is not a lawful order.

So u can go back to being a pathetic sheep who willingly gives up his rights, but don't tell me to do the same.

The police can't do their business, giving a DUI test, without someone talking? Total abuse of power. Unless he assaulted on of the officers, which he didn't, how did he get what was coming? Honestly, you are really...wait for it....

John Utah wrote:

Comply with police directives and there is very very little chance there will be a problem. Almost never is if you've don't nothing wrong and then cooperate with law enforcement.

If the dude blew a 0.0 then the cops would have sent him on his way eventually.

Brother has to get involved in police business and was likely belligerent. He got what was coming.

Cops are out there trying to get drunks off the road. Drunks who kill people about 10k to 20k per year. Let LE do their job and respect their authority.