Russian coaches banned over doping
If only rekrunner would explain to Seb how it doesn't work anyway, I'm sure he'd reinstate them immediately.
Russian coaches banned over doping
If only rekrunner would explain to Seb how it doesn't work anyway, I'm sure he'd reinstate them immediately.
Why drag me into this? Isn't that the very definition of trolling?Some drugs work, like steroids for women, by turning them partly into men.Everyone, including Coe, with an interest in real data can look at the results and see for themselves which events the Russians succeeded in. They don't need me to point out that the big money and pride seems to be women's events and race-walking.I think a blanket ban was a blanket mistake, punishing all Russian athletes, especially the innocent ones, for a crime that they did not initiate, and did not participate in by choice.If you think there are no innocent Russian athletes, then here's a paradox for you to ponder:- Did the Russian "running" men dope, but not succeed?- Did the Russian "running" men not dope, and are therefore innocent?I even feel sorry for the "guilty" ones, like Shobukhova, who are multiple victims at every step:- Forced to dope by her federation, as a condition to continue doing what all competitive athletes live for- Extorted by the very organisations that forced her to dope, to cover up doping positives- Convicted of doping despite the extortion payments- Scorned by the public and her competitors for doping- Aggressively sought after by racing organisations, like the London Marathon to recover prize money, money she probably had to share at the time with her federation as a conditionDon't get me wrong (of course I know you will find some way to rebut something I didn't say) -- I also feel sorry for Shobukhova's competitors, and race organisers, as they are also victims. But a blanket ban is an intellectually lazy nuclear option, that actually fails to punish those who initiated and facilitated the corruption.The Shobukhovas, like the Stepanovas, eventually did the right thing, by providing evidence to the IAAF Ethics Commission investigation, leading to the lifetime bans of the perpetrators of the extortion and bribery, rather than a blanket ban punishing all Russian athletes, innocent and guilty. The Shobukhovas are not in hiding.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
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If only rekrunner would explain to Seb how it doesn't work anyway, I'm sure he'd reinstate them immediately.
You're spot on with race walking in Russia. It's the "rock star" sport where men are inspired to compete in at a young age. I think a lot of Russian men simply pursued race walking instead of running where they don't have to compete against the Kenyans & Ethiopians. Lol. Sadly, it's covered in a dark cloud of doping with many ABP sanctions/drug positives and their legendary coach, Viktor Chegin, now banned for life:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/olympics/where-racewalking-is-king-the-antidoping-officials-are-busy.html?referer=Also, looking back at Russian men's mid-D runners in WC & Olympic events from 2008 onwards, they're hardly represented. Very few are represented in the prelims, and even less in the semi's (the only consistent name that made the finals/semi-finals in several WC/Olympic events is 2004 Athens 800m gold medalist Brozakovskiy). This would seem to support their preference toward race walking as opposed to running events. And for those few that did pursue running, you bring up a good question as to whether or not they were doping. There's no mention of anything in the McLaren report and there are no drug positives or ABP sanctions on any of the competitors. Simply no evidence of doping at this point.
OTOH, the Russians seem to have selected the women mid-D runners as their target group for PED improvement, as they appear to be high-responders to the synergistic effects of 02-vector doping & steriods. Though they had their moment in glory dominating these events in WC & Olympic competitions over several years, it's all come crumbling down now with severe consequences and no restoration in sight. And with Savinova just being stripped of an Olympic gold and a gold & silver in WC events, there aren't many medal winners left from 2008 onwards (I believe Poistogova might be it and her case is still pending with CAS).
I don’t feel sorry for the guilty ones like Shobukhova. They were engaged in systematic 02-vector doping & steriod use (interestingly, the vast majority of sanctions were for ABP hematological module anomalies). I do agree with you that the nuclear option is a little too extreme. Punish the athletes and coaches/doping doctors accordingly.
rekrunner wrote:
Why drag me into this?
Because with J. R., Jon Orange, and Ghost seemingly all MIA, you seem like the most likely to defend dopers...
I think a blanket ban was a blanket mistake, punishing all Russian athletes, especially the innocent ones, for a crime that they did not initiate, and did not participate in by choice.
I even feel sorry for the "guilty" ones, like Shobukhova, who are multiple victims at every step:
And, right on cue...
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