Is it possible to fail in America while obeying the advice given in the subject heading?
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Is it possible to fail in America while obeying the advice given in the subject heading?
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English and a job will help, though only the former is totally necessary.
And a car and kids are often optional. One could help, but might be an unnecessary expense. And the other is totally unnecessary.
Streets paved with gold wrote:
Is it possible to fail in America while obeying the advice given in the subject heading?
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Very easy to fail. Actually quite difficult to succeed even in a generous sense.
"Learn to speak English, get a job, buy a car and keep your kids in school: The American Key to Success"
What are you doing as you learn English? You're unlikely to learn English very well. You'll be able communicate without issue, but your speech and especially writing will be full of grammatical errors. Either way, you're almost certainly stuck with a job that pays less than $10/hr.
You have kids - plural - so it's pretty tough to pay for the house, kids, and car. So, you probably work long hours and can't spend too much time with your kids. You're probably not able to help them with anything beyond the most basic English spelling and grammar questions, and you're likely to speak to them in another language. They'll likely speak with an accent and pick up the grammatic errors of the immigrant family and friends they spend most time around. This will be very problematic for them in later years.
So, your kids will probably be placed in ESL classes on a slow curriculum and spend time with other students who are behind. By 4th grade or so, your kids are likely to be 4+ grade levels behind other kids in reading comprehension and writing, so they don't get access to advanced or accelerated programs in middle school.
You expect that American schools and teachers are top notch, little do you know the truth. And it's impossible for you to find out, because you didn't go to college in your home country, so you don't know what good education entails.
Meanwhile, you probably haven't advanced in your $8/hr job. Your kids are in school, but they've grown to dislike it because they were treated like outsiders, nothing much was ever expected of them from teachers, and they didn't have anyone to tell them what level they should be at.
By high school, their friend group has many immigrants, especially if their parents all speak the same language at home or came from the same region. These kids are more likely to be poor, struggling in school, and to do drugs or get into crimes. There's not really a great role model among them, and they grow to dislike the kids who have money for sports and music clubs.
You yell at your kid to focus on school, but the advanced classes are just beyond them after years of poor education and being put in ESL or lower level classes. This is very frustrating to your kids, because the wealthier mostly non-minority kids they grew up with whose parents constantly helped them with schoolwork in the early years, are now thriving.
Your kids have probably repeatedly heard that college costs tens of thousands of dollars, so they give up on it as not possible due to their socioeconomic status. Their marginal grades and low standardized test scores mean getting into a university is tough. What nobody told them was that they could likely get massive financial aid and go for next to nothing, if only they are admitted to a university.
Their best option is now going to community college, but those actually do cost money. So they get a part-time job while taking a few crap classes. Most likely, they don't proceed into a professional career or to a university, and end up working full time for $12-15/hr. This is the best-possible scenario for almost every case like this.
It's really a toss up for the kids. If they get exposed to the right kids, the right teachers, the right role models, they could get into top universities and achieve their wildest dreams. It's more likely that they end up following the path of least resistance, where the system is set up against their success.
Even something as simple as getting the kids to run cross country and/or track could be life-changing, as far as exposing them to other kids who have a positive life outlook, know about post-high school opportunities, are motivated and very likely to go to college and to get good grades in high school in order to do so.
Streets paved with gold wrote:
Is it possible to fail in America while obeying the advice given in the subject heading?
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That's racist.
lotsofassumptions wrote:
English and a job will help, though only the former is totally necessary.
And a car and kids are often optional. One could help, but might be an unnecessary expense. And the other is totally unnecessary.
You didn't even address the question.
Isn't that a bit like a heading:
" Get some shoes, run tempos at 4:40 pace, do 8x1km workouts at 2:30/km, race. "
Is it possible to fail running at sub 13 obeying the advice in the subject heading?
and be a good citizen in your circle of family, friends, neighborhood and workplace.
Locker Room talk represents you as well.
LM wrote:
Isn't that a bit like a heading:
" Get some shoes, run tempos at 4:40 pace, do 8x1km workouts at 2:30/km, race. "
Is it possible to fail running at sub 13 obeying the advice in the subject heading?
Not really, the subject's advice does not require any exceptional skill. Any adult without a disability can follow the four pieces of advice.
Streets paved with gold wrote:
Is it possible to fail in America while obeying the advice given in the subject heading?
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I have done all except the kids part (none yet). So Maybe once I have kids and keep them in school, then I will finally get to be a millionaire?
Or am I not considered a failure even though I am not making the utmost use of myself and enjoying respect and money for my unique abilities and goals?
So I pass under the thread topic's guidelines as long as I obey corporate America--working for them, shopping with them-and fit into the mold? Do I get extra points for an excellent SAT verbal score?
"I have done all except the kids part (none yet). So Maybe once I have kids and keep them in school, then I will finally get to be a millionaire?
Or am I not considered a failure even though I am not making the utmost use of myself and enjoying respect and money for my unique abilities and goals?
So I pass under the thread topic's guidelines as long as I obey corporate America--working for them, shopping with them-and fit into the mold? Do I get extra points for an excellent SAT verbal score?[/quote]"
Do you even lift brah?
Jaymes_Browne wrote:
Streets paved with gold wrote:Is it possible to fail in America while obeying the advice given in the subject heading?
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I have done all except the kids part (none yet). So Maybe once I have kids and keep them in school, then I will finally get to be a millionaire?
Or am I not considered a failure even though I am not making the utmost use of myself and enjoying respect and money for my unique abilities and goals?
So I pass under the thread topic's guidelines as long as I obey corporate America--working for them, shopping with them-and fit into the mold? Do I get extra points for an excellent SAT verbal score?
What makes you think you passed the success guidelines? Doesn't sound like it to me.
Those things are necessary but not sufficient for success
did you just share your biography?
If you follow these simple rules you will most likely be middle class in America.75% chance. And virtually zero chance of poverty.
at least finish high school, get a full-time job and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
You really have to mess up not to be at least middle class in this country.
I implied that one *could* succeed. Though I also implied that one could fail on this.So I actually addressed the question more than you did.
still_wrong wrote:
lotsofassumptions wrote:English and a job will help, though only the former is totally necessary.
And a car and kids are often optional. One could help, but might be an unnecessary expense. And the other is totally unnecessary.
You didn't even address the question.
Streets paved with gold wrote:
Is it possible to fail in America while obeying the advice given in the subject heading?
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Me no speaka dah englas, except for you are a moron
lotsofassumptions wrote:
I implied that one *could* succeed. Though I also implied that one could fail on this.
So I actually addressed the question more than you did.
still_wrong wrote:You didn't even address the question.
Whether one could succeed was not the question. The question is whether one could follow the above and not succeed. You did not address this.
This was well thought out and written, thanks for sharing what looks like a very real situation.
Lol. It's nothing close to to my biography, but it's a very real situation that I've witnessed dozens of times over.
Changing the initial assumption from "doesn't know English" to "is a minority with no marketable skills and doesn't have a college education" has the same effect as far as the kids are concerned.
I think that people here who all run sub-14 + make $250K + hot wife might be oblivious to what is going on with a lot of Americans and in a lot of schools
Buying a car is good way to get in debt, which is the modern USA dream.
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