can I run sub 1'50 800 next season ?

Nice 800m progression. Try working on your 400 speed to get as as close as you can to sub 50. I'm sure this isn't true but have always heard you gotta be able to run sub 50 in the 400 to run sub 1:50 in the 800.

Thank's for your answer, I will work on it !

Up !

What is your 1500m pr?

What's your training like - mileage, type of workouts etc.

my 1500m pr is 4'25, 3 years ago, lol.

I didn't run many 1500m but I worked on my endurance last 2 years, I think I can run around 4:00/4:05.

In winter, I do something like 55 miles a week (including tempo run, aerobic workout and bodybuilding) and in summer I do something like 35/40 miles including hills workout, lactic workout and speed workout.

Any opinion ?

please, any answers or opinions ?

pierreschtz800 wrote:

please, any answers or opinions ?

If you want to improve your 1500m time, then up your mileage kid. 55 miles/week in the winter is not going to cut it. 70-80 miles per week is more like it.

I'm really focus on the 800m, I think 70-80 miles a week is pretty much, I mean is it not to much for 400/800m guy like me ?

You are not a 4/8 guy. you are a 8/15 guy who doesn't want to do the work for it. Your differential is 5sec from 400 to 800. You may not be training properly for a 8/15 guy, and at your age you are going nowhere as a 4/8 guy if you can't break 50sec for 400m anyway.

I coached a guy the past couple of years (turn 19 this year) who also thinks he is a 4/8 guy, but really isn't either. He runs sub-48 barely, sub-1.47, has only run one serious outdoor 1500 (3.45). Ran 1.47 in HS off no more than 25 miles per week. What is your 200m best? if it isn't sub- 23.0 (or faster) don't delude yourself. You need better endurance AND better speed (increased strength) or you will be plateauing very soon. But that still doesn't make you a 4/8 guy.

Off a 1.50/52 (49sec 400) this kid couldn't have run under 4.20 either, until he actually started to train properly. For all you know you could be similar - I made him do XC (only a couple of races) to engage him in the process of getting fitter, while doing stairs and hills to get stronger. Guys who could beat him by 2-3 minutes in his only previous XC race, only beat him by 20-30sec after this base.

Nokaman wrote:

pierreschtz800 wrote:

please, any answers or opinions ?

If you want to improve your 1500m time, then up your mileage kid. 55 miles/week in the winter is not going to cut it. 70-80 miles per week is more like it.

70-80mpw to break 4 in the 1500 for a kid with 1:52 speed?

What are you smoking?

Anyway yes OP sub 1:50 is possible. Just keep doing what you are doing and as you reach full maturity you will improve.

People here like to think 20 is old but its not. 25 is about where you will hit your natural peak providing you don't train your legs off now.

My 200m PR's is around 23"5/23"7 during a workout, so yeah this is not so fast, I need to improve that.

Off course I have to improve my endurance too, but I can't run XC season because where I live (France) you have to choose between XC season and indoor season.

The 28th september, I will race a 1000m, I'll keep you informed of the results :)

If you listen to this idiots telling you to run more than 55mpw at your peak then you won't break 1:50 or even come close. Get as close to sub 50 in the 400 as you can, thats where sub 1:50 will come from. Short sprints(less than 60 meters all out with full recovery) after runs/workouts, plyos, hills, and weights are all important contributing factors. Also, do a search for the sub 1:50 thread and read everything "Old Sub 4" writes.

I ran a 1000m yesterday : 2'30"10 is it good ?

Only with 3 weeks of training

If he ran 1:47 in HS (even Canadian HS) then he is definitely an 800m specialist. Even if he has better potential at 400m or 1500m or 3000m or beyond, he is still a great 800m talent. One of the greatest to ever put on spikes.

Maybe it is your training that has hampered him and held him to improve only 1-second in 2 years? Of course there are only about 10 guys all time in the US who have run under 1:48 in HS and most of them did it 20-30 years ago. So you should look that stuff up before you try to make up a lie.

pierreschtz800 wrote:

My 200m PR's is around 23"5/23"7 during a workout, so yeah this is not so fast, I need to improve that.

Off course I have to improve my endurance too, but I can't run XC season because where I live (France) you have to choose between XC season and indoor season.

The 28th september, I will race a 1000m, I'll keep you informed of the results :)

When I was a younger man I wished someone said this to me. All you need to focus on is improving by 0.5-1% p.a. for the next five years and you will be quite good.