Coach Renato (and J Orange) explain why the Africans did so poorly after their coaches were BUSTED WITH EPO!!!!???

where is the dope? wrote:

I'd really like to know why they looked mortal after those needles were thrown in the trash. Thanks!

You're aware that only Aden was investigated for a bunch of EPO-filled syringes (let's be honest, given what was found this time, his athletes are 100% drugged up), and that he doesn't coach all of East Africa right?

As far as "looked mortal" goes, oh yes. Eliud Kipchoge leaving the entire Marathon Field in the dust was a disaster. As was Conseslus Kipruto making Jager look like a snail. And is it even necessary to mention Ayana or Cheruiyot?

Exactly, it is not such that the entire EA dopes or doesn't dope depending on performance. The logic on LR is flawed.

yyy wrote:

Exactly, it is not such that the entire EA dopes or doesn't dope depending on performance. The logic on LR is flawed.

In other words, some still dope, while others started to be more careful.

First thing, I want to know WHICH COACHES were busted for doping. Two were investigated (Jama Aden coaching Genzebe Dibaba and Ayanleh Souleiman, and Claudio Berardelli coaching Eunice Sum and Mercy Cherono), and about Claudio he is totally clean, and is the victim of a was of power in Kenya, and of the fact that Kenyan Police wanted to show all the World they were very tough against doping, after the new law was voted in the Parliament. The future will show that both Claudio Berardelli and Federico Rosa (manager, not coach) are completely clean and against every kind of doping.

After this, maybe a little bit ridiculous to say African competed very bad :

I want to analyse what they did.

800m M :

Rudisha won with the best seasonal performance (1'42"15).

Ferguson Rotich was 5th with a time near his best (1'43"55)

Alfred Kipketer was crazy, running in front the first 500m very fast, and at the end was 6th in 1'46"02 after winning his semifinal in 1'44"38. This was a tactical problem, nothing to do with the shape.

1500m M :

Asbel Kiprop and Ronald Kwemoi did a big tactical mistake, first accepting a pace slower than HM pace during the first 800m (2'17" !), second because they choose to stay at the end of the pack. It's not a case that the first two were the leaders for all the race ! This has nothing to do with their shape (for Ronald was the best of his life), may be more with the fact their coaches could not speak with them about the best tactic, since it was not possible to meet them in the village.

About Elijah Manangoi, he was injured after the heat.

5000m M :

Gebrihwet won bronze, Edris competed very well but was DQ at the end for running two steps inside the field out of the track. About Kenyans, I knew the problems of Caleb Ndiku (Achille's tendon) already long time before the race, and Charles Muneria was moved from 10000m to 5000m for giving Karoki the opportunity to compete in the long distance with a Wild Card.

Who could run better is Isiah Koech, but probably the last period of training in the training camp was not good for him. In my opinion, Kenya paid the fact they didn't select Thomas Longosiwa, Always very competitive in all the finals (Olympic and World Championships).

10000m M :

Paul Tanui was in the best shape of his life, and made very hard for Mo Farah to win. Both Geoffrey Kamworor and Bedan Karoki were not in shape, and probably Kenyan selectors had to consider the result of Trials (when they dropped out) as a signal of bad shape, especially about Karoki. However, could be very difficult to replace them with somebody stronger : no chance at all of medal with anybody else, if these men are not in shape.

About Ethiopian, they had Tamirat Tola for bronze and Demelash number 4, the best position they could achieve.

3000m SC M :

Conseslus Kipruto didn't show a bad shape, if was able to win so easy. The same about Ezekiel Kemboi : his 3rd position was the best he could achieve, and his DQ was a little bit ridiculous.

Marathon M :

Eliud Kipchoge was the first Marathon runner able to win Olympics after winning London some month before, showing the maximum possible about ability to recover and to focus in short time. Absolutely the best Marathon runner ever ! Feiysa Lelisa was a great silver, for doing this was in top shape. About the other Kenyan and Ethiopian runners, everybody waited a good race from Stanley Biwott, who had problems and dropped out before 30 km, while for Lemi Behrane and Abera it was not possible to be in good shape, since Rio was their 3rd Marathon of top level of the year, so we can blame Ethiopian Federation for selecting athletes already mentally empty.

800m W :

Margaret Wambui won bronze with her PB (1'56"89). Eunice Sum ran poorly (she was really affected by the problems of Claudio Berardelli), while Winnie Chebet was on her normal standard.

1500m W :

Faith Kipyegon dominated a tactical race, destroying Genzebe Dibaba, who at the end was not so bad. The other two Kenyans Always were weaker than all the athletes in the final, so no surpsrise at all.

5000m W :

A wonderful Vivian Cheruiyot finally won gold, with Hellen Obiri silver and Mercy Cherono 4th after Ayana : it doesn't seem they failed Olympics !

10000m W :

It was the best event in all Olympics : WR for Ayana, big PB for Vivian Cheruiyot silver, Tirunesh Dibaba bronze, Alice Aprot under 30'. Very bad performances for Kenyans !

3000m SC W :

Ruth Jebet, Bahrein, is Kenyan and trains in Kenya : almost WR ! Hyivin Jepkemoi wan silver with her second performance all time, and Beatrice Chepkoech was n. 4 with her PB : bad shape ?

Marathon W :

Jemima Sumgong, winner of London, won Olympics too. Behind her, Eunice Jepkorir (Bahrein but Kenyan) and Mare Dibaba (Ethiopian World Champion). Of course, after the strict antidoping protocol before Olympics followed by WADA and IAAF (all the athletes were tested from 6 to 10 times), the results were very bad !

And, for looking at other events, since Kenya was a Country full of doping, AFTER THE STRICT CONTROLS, we had the silver medal in 400 HS fro Boniface Tumuti with the National Record of 47"78 (1/100 better than the performance of Nicholas Bett last year for winning WCh), and Haron Koech (Brother of Nicholas Bett) in the final, after bettering his PB in semifinal with 48"49, and another silver medal in Javelin with the WChampion Julius Yego, who, fearing the antidoping controls, choose Olympics for his seasonal best, improving with 88.24m his previous SB of more than 3 meters !

At the end, with 6 Gold medals, 6 Silver medals and 1 Bronze (without counting the DQ of Ezekiel Kemboi) it's clear Kenya had a very bad Olympics, after the coaches could no longer able to administrate any doping for the athletes !

Of course, we continue to find here people not able to switch on their brain before writing stupidities. If this is the level of new generations, I feel really pity for the future of Western Countries.

Asbel Kiprop acted at the race finish like he was bribed to stay behind.

Renato Canova wrote:

1500m M :

Asbel Kiprop and Ronald Kwemoi did a big tactical mistake, first accepting a pace slower than HM pace during the first 800m (2'17" !), second because they choose to stay at the end of the pack. It's not a case that the first two were the leaders for all the race ! This has nothing to do with their shape (for Ronald was the best of his life), may be more with the fact their coaches could not speak with them about the best tactic, since it was not possible to meet them in the village.

About Elijah Manangoi, he was injured after the heat.

Is Kiprop so utterly brain-dead that he couldn't figure out that running in last at a pace that would lose most high school championship races was a bad idea when he is far and away the most fit person in the field but by no means the best kicker?

LOL. No one does sarcasm like Coach Renato.

Grazie mille signore. Tu sei il migliore.

Canova is not in a position to point out that "tactics" excuse for Kiprop is BS, but I can. He took a dive. Dive in the 5000 too, and probably 10000, to protect money-man Farah.

All the events where Kenyans did badly were events where Nike/NOP western athletes were waiting to snag medals. Big profits in that. Nobody can tell me they weren't paid or pressured to lose, with Kiprop it was just too obvious.

For the last time: There was no EPO in Aden's room. Fact.

This proves that the Dibaba clan is clean.

"second because they choose to stay at the end of the pack."

"Is Kiprop so utterly brain-dead that..."

It seemed to me that he was trying to run like Mo did in the 10,000, floating at the back. The problem was that Mo was on the back of a near honest pace but Kiprop was running 2:18 for 800. An even bigger problem was that Mo had a plan (and time given the distance) of how to move up to the lead efficiently. Kiprop had no plan to get to the front other than a huge tiring move. On top of all that, Centro and a couple others were running the most efficient warmup ever seen.

So EXACTLY who was complicit in assuring that Centro won the 1500 (and that Willis!? was bronze)? "Let's see, make sure those checks go out to: Makhloufi, Kiprop, Souleiman, Kwemoi, etc., and hope that someone like Grice doesn't have a banner day. Extra cash bonus to Manangoi for faking an injury and not even racing the final!" ???Your idiotic conspiracy theory must include The Illuminati, The Catholic Church, The Freemasons, Dick Cheney, OPEC and The Federal Reserve, correct?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Canova is not in a position to point out that "tactics" excuse for Kiprop is BS, but I can. He took a dive. Dive in the 5000 too, and probably 10000, to protect money-man Farah.

All the events where Kenyans did badly were events where Nike/NOP western athletes were waiting to snag medals. Big profits in that. Nobody can tell me they weren't paid or pressured to lose, with Kiprop it was just too obvious.

Bad Wigins has to be one of the dumbest guys on here.

rekrunnr wrote:

For the last time: There was no EPO in Aden's room. Fact.

This proves that the Dibaba clan is clean.

David Torrence:

"DT: I never saw anyone take anything or do anything in regards to syringes or anything. It was all done at [Jama’s apartment] and not at the hotel, as far as I know.

What’s really crazy is that there were athletes that were struggling like me. There was one runner in particular—a well-accomplished international athlete—he was in a rut. In workouts he was just really getting blasted, kind of like I was. Just really run down. He went and got the “vitamin injections” and literally two days later did an incredible workout. I was blown away. He was looking like crap just two days before. But I’ve had days when I’ve had terrible workouts and then two days later had an amazing workout, so I didn’t necessarily piece the two things together. Looking back on it now, it’s just much more obvious.

That was a day that I was like, “Wow. That’s incredible how he bounced back.”

if you're theory is right, kiprop will probably set a world record later this summer/ fall

Bad Wigins wrote:

Canova is not in a position to point out that "tactics" excuse for Kiprop is BS, but I can. He took a dive. Dive in the 5000 too, and probably 10000, to protect money-man Farah.

All the events where Kenyans did badly were events where Nike/NOP western athletes were waiting to snag medals. Big profits in that. Nobody can tell me they weren't paid or pressured to lose, with Kiprop it was just too obvious.

rekrunnr wrote:

For the last time: There was no EPO in Aden's room. Fact.

This proves that the Dibaba clan is clean.

That's because it was in some veins already.

where is the dope? wrote:

I'd really like to know why they looked mortal after those needles were thrown in the trash. Thanks!

What Olympics were you watching; they still looked petty good to me.

Beside the men's 5K, they did good and you can't blame doping for Kiprop getting his tactics wrong in the 1500m.

kipflop needs to be interviewed. silence is deafening.

why so poor. he learned lesson getting beat by teammate in DL.

Typical ad-hominem bullshit. Your position is so vacuous you start flaming and trot out the "conspiracy theory" buzzphrase before I even reply. You have nothing.

But I'll answer your rhetorical question intelligently anyhow because it will help inform people.

1) The IAAF is already proven corrupt. That knowledge is a guide to what goes on without knowing specifically who is involved. The fall of Diack was no accompanied by any serious campaign to root out the infrastructure of bribery and extortion, and only a fool would think it's not still there. You don't have to know who shit to smell it.

2) Checks to ... Kiprop, Kwemoi, Manangoi? Nike has been proven to make large payments to Kenya's athletics federation, which then disappear for unknown purposes. And needless to say, AK is also famously corrupt and well suited to carry out bribery and blackmail.

3) Checks to Souleiman? Not necessary after the pressure put on Aden.

4) Checks to Grice? You miss the point completely. Grice is from a wealthy country where they would make $$$ if he medalled. No way would they ask him to dive.

Don't respond, you're nothing but a flamer. This is meant for reasonable people.

TrackCoach wrote:

where is the dope? wrote:

I'd really like to know why they looked mortal after those needles were thrown in the trash. Thanks!

What Olympics were you watching; they still looked petty good to me.

Beside the men's 5K, they did good and you can't blame doping for Kiprop getting his tactics wrong in the 1500m.

One word:

Dibaba