Ayana 10,000 Meter WR!!! 29:17:46

This. She was a b-rate Kenyan while at I-State contending for 2nd-5th, then BAM she graduates and drops immediately from 15:12 to 14:39, then backslides last year (I assume injury), now is one of the top all-time.????

Hounddogharrier wrote:

The performance I can't get head around is Betsy Saina 5 in 30:07. Trains in the USA . No rumors of drug use. Most of her top performances are 5ks Barely under 15 and she runs basically 2 back to back 15:03s. What is with that ?

The thing about Betsy is she is legit.

She moved from training with Mediocre runners in Colorado springs a year ago and is training with Shalane/Infeld and many other top notch athletes now. Her success comes from training with people on her level now and not half ass mediocre runners.

Renato Canova wrote:

Never we finish to read attempts to justify this record with stupid arguments,

[...]

Try sometimes to use the brain for analyzing what happens, not the belly.

But, of course, you need to know something about the athletic history, and this instead is something that the most part of posters completely don't know.

Renato: so, if I understand well, your conclusion is that Steve Magness is stupid, he does not know to use his brain, and he does not know anything about athletic history.

Is this what you think?

Renato Canova wrote:

It's totally ridiculous to look at a short track (so we must wait times in 400m under 43"...), or at African doping (I'm totally sure all the best are clean).

Renato (again): so, if I understand correctly, you believe Jama Aden was doping only the weak athletes of his group, and not Genzebe Dibaba?...

Idiot!!!!!!!! how you dare to ask such question? Wash your mind!

ekw wrote:

Incredible running. Clean?

Dirty Mind, dirty comment!

I appreciate Renato making the effort to post here (which other top coaches do that?).

However, for a meaningful insight into how EPO affects performance, I would want to hear from:

a) an athlete who has used EPO

or

b) a coach who has trained athletes that have used EPO

Anything else is unarguably just speculation.

cleans wrote:

I appreciate Renato making the effort to post here (which other top coaches do that?).

However, for a meaningful insight into how EPO affects performance, I would want to hear from:

a) an athlete who has used EPO

or

b) a coach who has trained athletes that have used EPO

Anything else is unarguably just speculation.

How about starting with the fact that EPO undeniably increases blood oxygenation? I think it's then quite easy to understand why it's a banned substance. There are testimonies and studies (amateur athletes) out there supporting clear performance improvements with EPO use. Of course, we will never see a world class athlete volunteer themselves for such a study so Renato will keep sticking to his guns on this issue.

question why was meldonium banned in first place

IGF-1 lr3 ..........................................

1.

all nervous system mediated , enhanced and souped up at

peak peak cycle amongst many things does .

someone in east stumbles upon meldonium enhancing this effect even more

also

it can get you very skinny but save functional muscle

which again especially good for women as naturally will carry some

stubburn fat .

look at shape of ayana ,like farah or fromme in cycling ...........

how dibaba was doing it ,along with obvious as much epo as can get

away with ,which not as easy in west

or if dont have that nike undectectable epo variant

real reason meldonium found in ethiopia ...........................

2.

the top five of these women on this cocktale

at very least ...............

in comparison to men ,alot more enhancement to be

had ,as they are women!

and nervous system not as developed

why the record was considered soft for this natural reason, they are women.

natural nerves but unnatural endurance before ....

now souped up to max and very good endurance

= better than chinese shuffle with crazy hematocrit and endurance.

ala paula as well , with epo for training and high hct then come

to race take hct much higher with transfusions.

as epo dont work as well in women only takes hct so high

why needed other methods and transfusions not great option for africans.

Please write coherently, you sound like a nut

1.

similar ped called " mildronate alpha " has replaced meldonium

and largingly being used by select nike athletes at moment ................................

wada is all part of this massive mind f**k....

wont test igf-1 for reason nor even mention excistence

will be a nike olympics.....................

like previous 100mh record done exactly same

fast fast legs ,mildronate is getting them extra 1-2 meters than just igf-1

can be done similarly previously with steroids incombo but off cards now .

high hurdles is infact most suited event

for this peptide and were first used with liu xiang ....

before found way to yamicans

2.

and now at chronic use , all over many sports , swimming etc

,anywhere seeing dominance and exceptions that never were.........

unheard of nations ,qatari's or south africans or elderly elite athletes

like the older swimmers like ervin and phelps

and they keep mentioning tokyo 4 years away

because know this peptide can save nervous system and keep you

going at highest level well into late 30's

unheard of for swimmers

phelps was quickly burning ,out now a-okay

and keep saying how bad dopers are .

like the single best ped to ever hit sport isnt doping

mr phelps just because general agreement that wont be tested for .

all over american and british sport ,

never been dirtier .

from records of katie ledecky to mr bolt or recent records in weightlifting

this whole russia are dopers is beyond a joke unless a set up for future.

will a women getting very close to if not breaking 200m record

be enough to convince all .. ..... even if is on a bouncy track .

dont care how i sound .......

only care about truth and not this fraud being

presented before eyes at oLAMEpics

any standout performance in sport , will nearly involve this stuff nowadays

including that midget in womens gymnastics,

consider mens gymnastics generally undopeable but womens not so .....

if it sounds like a duck and walks like a duck ...................

Seeing ducks all over the place and not just from oregon

atohitotsu wrote:

3 women under 30. Short track?

Of course. They spend millions on a track and engage Italian specialists to do it and whoops, they measure it wrong.

The length would have been checked over and over.

Drugs, Drugs, Drugs! wrote:

Speculator Sam wrote:

They're elite athletes, so I don't think it's fully natural. Hasn't WADA or IOC been doing a better job lately? Either way, spectacular performance today.

She beat an obvious doped up Chinese national. You fill in the rest of the story....

Ayana's a much better runner than Junxia.

The discussion is missing a few of the most important factors about Ayana's development that led to this record performance.

1) She trained primarily for the steeple her entire career until 3 years ago. She's 25, so we're talking 4+ years of steeple training where she broke the world junior record, before failing to break into the world class level as a senior, due to injuries / fear of the barriers, switching to 5k and immediately becoming competitive at a world class level. This development pattern reminds me of Jenny Simpson, only difference being Simpson dropped down to the 1500 after her steeple period, rather than going up. Switching events and training, even more so than switching coaches, we have seen can put an athlete instantly on a new level when done correctly. This is what she was talking about when she spoke about training "especially for the 5k and 10k."

2) Ayana ran the 10k WR in her second race at the event, having solo time trialled the 8th fastest time ever, and after running comparable 5k times the pasd two years. This reminds me of how Chris Solinsky, once a LR fan favorite, set the American Record in the 10k in his first attempt at the event, moving up from the 5k.

3) In profiles of Ayana easily available online through a Google search, she talks about how her husband, once a B-level 1500m runner, is her coach, and controls all aspects of her training and her life. Such a coaching setup, I expect, is somewhat unusual, even in Ethiopia, a nation with more traditional gender roles within marriages than in western countries. From reading her interviews and profiles, it sounds a lot like a Katinka Hosszu situation, albeit minus the televised husband-rage. (For those not following swimming, Hosszu is the Hungarian born, American-trained, multiple Gold medalist, WR holder who went from Olympic qualifier to dominant performer after switching up to be coached by her husband and changing up her training and the races she competed in.) There is something to be said for clearly defined roles that allow an athlete to give up responsibility for organizational, training and other life choices they can focus on what they do in training every day, without stressing the other stuff.

jealous jealous !!!! almaz as pure as crystal . Alemaz mean Diamond in ameharic . she is really as hard as diamond. no athlete will crack her easily

every body do not forget that ethiopia is the land of majestic athletes from abebe bikila to miruts yifter. the greatest of all haile, the untouchable kenenisa. the amousing mamo wolde. the always smileing derartu tulu. the baby face destroyer tirunesh dibaba. the ruthless meseret defar and on and on. now here she come the 'wildebeest' alemaz ayana. do expect world record at 5k in rio. evry body beat it !!!!!!

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EPOsom salts bath

Took a bath wrote:

Clean? Yes, she took a bath in something special.

Ben L Wrong wrote:

Huddle is going to get her medal in some years.

Some people saying in twitter "it must be a superfast track".

But wait!!! if it's fast for the distance runners, it's slow for the sprinters. And Organizers said that is a fast track for sprinters actually.

18 runners set a PB in the race. Can´t be just drugs.

well,. wrote:

18 runners set a PB in the race. Can´t be just drugs.

If your rabbit is on drugs and goes fast, the rest will follow faster. Rabbited (hired or not) races are almost always faster. The race went out at a blistering pace not typically seen in a women's 10,000... People are sheep, they went with the WAY to fast pace and most had positive splits as a result but the overly fast first half overcame the slowed times of the second half (except the drugged rabbit winner).