Is it a NCAA violation for a coach to drink with legal aged athletes?

Just horrible form.

Not illegal. Not against NCAA rules. Possibly against some University rules. Just poor form. Not a big deal.

Unprofessional. Unethical. Shady. Not illegal. Not an NCAA violation.

Not uncommon.

Jim Beam wrote:

Is it a NCAA violation for a coach to drink with legal-aged athletes on their team while at a contest or is it just poor form?

Define "while at a contest".

This is the key here. Well, that and whether they are his athletes or athletes from another team, but I digress...

It's not a rules violation.

PoisonIvy wrote:

Unprofessional. Unethical. Shady. Not illegal. Not an NCAA violation.

Not uncommon.

I think whether it's unethical or not depends on your definition of drinking. If a coach is at dinner, should he not order a beer? The problem with ordering a beer at dinner is the average college age kid doesn't get the difference between having a beer at dinner and getting bombed at a frat party.

To me, having a drink at dinner isn't 'drinking' . Drinking is bing drinking wherease doing it at dinner if responsible drinking which few college kids are capable of.

Who is buying for whom?

rojo wrote:

It's not a rules violation

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PoisonIvy wrote:

Unprofessional. Unethical. Shady. Not illegal. Not an NCAA violation.

Not uncommon.

I think whether it's unethical or not depends on your definition of drinking. If a coach is at dinner, should he not order a beer? The problem with ordering a beer at dinner is the average college age kid doesn't get the difference between having a beer at dinner and getting bombed at a frat party.

To me, having a drink at dinner isn't 'drinking' . Drinking is bing drinking wherease doing it at dinner if responsible drinking which few college kids are capable of.

This.^

If a coach and a few legally age runners have a beer, or a beer or wine at dinner that is one thing.

IF on the other had the coach is showing up bombed at a hotel room, or at a dorm, or worse yet.. going to team parties and getting drunk outta his mind, that's just bad form and very un-professional.

rojo wrote:

I think whether it's unethical or not depends on your definition of drinking. If a coach is at dinner, should he not order a beer? The problem with ordering a beer at dinner is the average college age kid doesn't get the difference between having a beer at dinner and getting bombed at a frat party.

To me, having a drink at dinner isn't 'drinking' . Drinking is bing drinking wherease doing it at dinner if responsible drinking which few college kids are capable of.

Except that this is clearly not allowed under the explicit policy of virtually every D1 university athletics program. Just as a random example, let's take a look at the Cornell athletics policy handbook:

"Alcohol and tobacco are prohibited at practices, competition sites, team meetings, team meals, team banquets, in locker rooms, in coaches offices, on or during travel by any means, on away trips ..."

No drinking or smoking on team trips, coach. Pretty easy to understand.

Way to pick an obscure D1 school. Who would know anything about the rules at Cornell?!

sc42 wrote:

Except that this is clearly not allowed under the explicit policy of virtually every D1 university athletics program. Just as a random example, let's take a look at the Cornell athletics policy handbook:

"Alcohol and tobacco are prohibited at practices, competition sites, team meetings, team meals, team banquets, in locker rooms, in coaches offices, on or during travel by any means, on away trips ..."

No drinking or smoking on team trips, coach. Pretty easy to understand.

More specifically, in Eugene while on a team multi-day trip. Athletes were on his team and had concluded their competition, but they were still officially on a school trip.

sc42 wrote:

Except that this is clearly not allowed under the explicit policy of virtually every D1 university athletics program. Just as a random example, let's take a look at the Cornell athletics policy handbook:

"Alcohol and tobacco are prohibited at practices, competition sites, team meetings, team meals, team banquets, in locker rooms, in coaches offices, on or during travel by any means, on away trips ..."

No drinking or smoking on team trips, coach. Pretty easy to understand.

While drinking with the kids is alive, grammar is officially dead in the Ivy League.

rojo wrote:

It's not a rules violation

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PoisonIvy wrote:

Unprofessional. Unethical. Shady. Not illegal. Not an NCAA violation.

Not uncommon.

I think whether it's unethical or not depends on your definition of drinking. If a coach is at dinner, should he not order a beer? The problem with ordering a beer at dinner is the average college age kid doesn't get the difference between having a beer at dinner and getting bombed at a frat party.

To me, having a drink at dinner isn't 'drinking' . Drinking is bing drinking wherease doing it at dinner if responsible drinking which few college kids are capable of.

Ordering any amount of alcohol around your athletes has been considered very poor form since I began running competitively in 1980. If it's a must for you to consume alcohol with meals, that's also a problem.

Pray for Gord wrote:

rojo wrote:

It's not a rules violation

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I think whether it's unethical or not depends on your definition of drinking. If a coach is at dinner, should he not order a beer? The problem with ordering a beer at dinner is the average college age kid doesn't get the difference between having a beer at dinner and getting bombed at a frat party.

To me, having a drink at dinner isn't 'drinking' . Drinking is bing drinking wherease doing it at dinner if responsible drinking which few college kids are capable of.

Ordering any amount of alcohol around your athletes has been considered very poor form since I began running competitively in 1980. If it's a must for you to consume alcohol with meals, that's also a problem.

You're too intelligent for this site or its owners...

Pray for Gord wrote:

[quote]rojo wrote:

It's not a rules violation

.[quote]PoisonIvy wrote:

Ordering any amount of alcohol around your athletes has been considered very poor form since I began running competitively in 1980. If it's a must for you to consume alcohol with meals, that's also a problem.

Unfortunately, Puritan-values in the U.S. still rule. I understand that many view it as a big deal, but a coach ordering a drink with dinner should not be an issue.

yuiop wrote:

Unfortunately, Puritan-values in the U.S. still rule. I understand that many view it as a big deal, but a coach ordering a drink with dinner should not be an issue.

"Ordering a drink with dinner should not be a big deal".

"The difference between one beer and two is trivial".

"A third beer is basically no different than two."

Etc.

The reason the policy is black and white is to avoid the obvious problem that many people (not just student athletes) do not know where the line is. The AD is not there to see if you are just having one beer or having three and then getting weird. What is the big deal with NOT having a beer with dinner, unless you can't do that? And if you can't just have dinner with your team without drinking, you do indeed have a problem.

Do you have a problem with this coach?

Are you looking to try to get them fired?

If not, what's the big deal?

If these athletes are legal age, then they are most likely seniors who have made it to Nationals and are moving on from College. I don't really think it is a big deal if the coach has a few beers with these adults that they have worked with over the previous 4-5 years. Obviously provided that is all that it is. As a previous poster mentioned I wouldn't expect them to be heading to parties or clubs with the athletes. That would be weird.

It's only a violation if you spike a female athlete's drink.

Er... wrote:

Way to pick an obscure D1 school. Who would know anything about the rules at Cornell?!

Well played, sir/ma'am.

For those not in the know, RoJo coached for several years at Cornell University. However, he is not an alumnus. His undergraduate degree is from Princeton University.

Cosby coach wrote:

It's only a violation if you spike a female athlete's drink.

Or a male athlete's drink, if you count steriods.