If College becomes tuition free what will make people run CC & TF

If that happens and becomes a problem, it won't be a problem for long.

"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

I'd guess the schools would pay room and board for good athletes. Sanders' plan is for tuition free public universities, not living expense free. Huge misconception as many kids who get enough scholarships/grants/aid for tuition will be no better off than before.

cross country and track should not even be college sports in the first place. The NCAA and its medieval amateur rules are what keep it in the shadows as a joke sport that nobody respectable pays any attention to.

4:37 man Sanders will abolish NCAA track and XC and develop a true professional minor league system, with local runners sponsored by local businesses and competing in meaningful dual meets vs neighboring towns for the reasonable price of around 5 bucks a ticket.

Oedipus Rexing wrote:

I'd guess the schools would pay room and board for good athletes. Sanders' plan is for tuition free public universities, not living expense free. Huge misconception as many kids who get enough scholarships/grants/aid for tuition will be no better off than before.

This. Most college runners aren't getting money now, most of the ones who do are just getting partial scholarships and private schools won't have free tuition.

Bad Wigins wrote:

cross country and track should not even be college sports in the first place. The NCAA and its medieval amateur rules are what keep it in the shadows as a joke sport that nobody respectable pays any attention to.

4:37 man Sanders will abolish NCAA track and XC and develop a true professional minor league system, with local runners sponsored by local businesses and competing in meaningful dual meets vs neighboring towns for the reasonable price of around 5 bucks a ticket.

Nobody is going to pay $5 to watch a dualmeet of unknowns. Golf is a million times more popular than track and nobody pays a nickel to watch local mini tours. They don't even watch for free.

They will! They watch unknowns play baseball and hockey for their little towns. All the track league has to do is serve them beer and they will show up. Beer and gambling.

What nobody will ever watch is college duals, no matter how well known the runners are, because they don't count for shit.

Bad Wigins wrote:

They will! They watch unknowns play baseball and hockey for their little towns. All the track league has to do is serve them beer and they will show up. Beer and gambling.

What nobody will ever watch is college duals, no matter how well known the runners are, because they don't count for shit.

Baseball and hockey are fun to watch. Which is why the the MLB minimum salary is more than all but the top track athletes make.

Can't make a business out of a bad product.

It would actually increase the number of people able to stay in school. You are probably trolling, because people barely get any scholarships in track and field and xc with the women getting more to make up for football, and people mostly run track and xc because they like it. Since finances are already a problem for them, you would have numerous athletes suddenly able to stay in school or to concentrate more on school and sports since they don't have to work as much with college free.

bad wigins, the one thing you are right about is that you drum up interest by local ties--whether by town or city or university.

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Baseball and hockey are fun to watch. Which is why the the MLB minimum salary is more than all but the top track athletes make.

Can't make a business out of a bad product.

Baseball isn't even a sport. It is more boring to watch than darts or billiards. Rather poke my eyes out than watch baseball.

Hockey is also boring, except for the fights. Can only watch hockey if i'm in the first row and kicking the glass when the skaters come by.

What makes Middle School, Jr High and High School students run CC & TF?

I wonder what force is making students participate in student clubs, or club teams, or intramural sports! I mean, why would anybody EVER do such a thing when it doesn't pay their tuition?!

Hopefully this is a troll and I just got trolled.

Tocino wrote:

Bernie Sanders idea of free college. What happens to CC and track scholarships? people will run for a school cause they want to? will this hurt the overall performance of the US on the international competition level? Maybe the NCAA would have to pay the students?! discuss

The love of the sport. Why do people keep running and competing after college?

Ummmmm wrote:

.......,.... wrote:

Baseball and hockey are fun to watch. Which is why the the MLB minimum salary is more than all but the top track athletes make.

Can't make a business out of a bad product.

Baseball isn't even a sport. It is more boring to watch than darts or billiards. Rather poke my eyes out than watch baseball.

Hockey is also boring, except for the fights. Can only watch hockey if i'm in the first row and kicking the glass when the skaters come by.

The market disagrees with you. Which is why people pay to watch those sports and they don't for track.

We don't have to worry about that because Bernie Sanders is not being elected.

Tocino wrote:

Bernie Sanders idea of free college. What happens to CC and track scholarships? people will run for a school cause they want to? will this hurt the overall performance of the US on the international competition level? Maybe the NCAA would have to pay the students?! discuss

interesting question

I would so love to see the end of athletic scholarships - they are among the most absurd things at US universities.

Thank goodness my state U does not have them - the thought of my tax dollars going to pay kids to play games would be infuriating.

agip wrote:

I would so love to see the end of athletic scholarships - they are among the most absurd things at US universities.

Some truth that they are outside the university's mission, but I'm not sure it cracks the top 10 absurd things at today's universities

I'm not a fan of the athletic scholarship either. But they're not financed by tax dollars. The money comes from athletic department revenue and contributions from alumni and fans. I am curious as to what state university doesn't give athletic scholarships though. I thought all of them at least gave some.

HRE wrote:

I'm not a fan of the athletic scholarship either. But they're not financed by tax dollars. The money comes from athletic department revenue and contributions from alumni and fans. I am curious as to what state university doesn't give athletic scholarships though. I thought all of them at least gave some.

well actually I don't know for a fact that the state univ of NY doesn't have athletic scholarships. But if it does it has to be on a smaller scale than just about anywhere else.

I don't believe that tax dollars don't wind their way to athletic scholarships. I've heard that but it makes no sense. How, say, are softball scholarships at say UC san diego funded by athletic donations? many schools that offer scholarships have no revenue sports to speak of...I've yet to see an explanation of how taxpayers aren't covering the bill for that.

I'm sure at some big football schools the athletics department actually works at a profit. But that's just a few schools.

and even there, why should those profits go to pay for the water polo scholarships? Why shouldn't those profits be given back to the university/taxpayers?