Is the global warming movement about saving the environment, or is it about destroying Western culture and progress?
Is the global warming movement about saving the environment, or is it about destroying Western culture and progress?
Environmental stewardship, continued progress and preservation of Western culture can occur together. Assuming or stating otherwise is purely political.
It is more about fascism. The rising trend of all human activity to be controlled by fascist governments.
Blah Blah Blah Blah wrote:
It is more about fascism. The rising trend of all human activity to be controlled by fascist governments.
^This.
It's about convincing people to give up their freedom and property so that our government overseers can finally finish their Utopian vision for society. Of course that always leads to fascism, oppression, suffering, and death, but we have to break some eggs right?
DiscoGary wrote:
Blah Blah Blah Blah wrote:It is more about fascism. The rising trend of all human activity to be controlled by fascist governments.
^This.
It's about convincing people to give up their freedom and property so that our government overseers can finally finish their Utopian vision for society. Of course that always leads to fascism, oppression, suffering, and death, but we have to break some eggs right?
Just as I suspected. Disco causes paranoia.
It's a highly successful marketing scheme.
Bloody Knuckles wrote:
Environmental stewardship, continued progress and preservation of Western culture can occur together. Assuming or stating otherwise is purely political.
The whole Global Warming movement is a political one.
Science is where you construct a theory to explain phenomena and then search for any evidence that your theory is wrong. Global Warmists only search for evidence which supports their theory, ignoring or distorting non-conforming data to match their expectations while destroying the careers of any skeptic who questions their conclusions. Therefore, the Global Warming movement is not science.
Global Warming is simultaneously a political movement, a religion, a mythology, and a big business, but it is not based in science.
It's pure politics, the worst kind of politics. Fear mongering.
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:^This.
It's about convincing people to give up their freedom and property so that our government overseers can finally finish their Utopian vision for society. Of course that always leads to fascism, oppression, suffering, and death, but we have to break some eggs right?
Just as I suspected. Disco causes paranoia.
The Global Warmists blame everything from Hurricanes to Hitler on Global Warming, and you accuse ME of stoking paranoia?
DiscoGary wrote:
The Global Warmists blame everything from Hurricanes to Hitler on Global Warming, and you accuse ME of stoking paranoia?
Exactly... GW = possibly biggest fear mongering campaign in history.
The northern ice cap is supposed to disappear completely by 2013. We're living on borrowed time!
DiscoGary wrote:
Global Warmists only search for evidence which supports their theory, ignoring or distorting non-conforming data to match their expectations while destroying the careers of any skeptic who questions their conclusions. Therefore, the Global Warming movement is not science.
This is a lie. There has been tons of research by highly qualified scientists who sought to poke holes in Global Warming. They have largely failed. Even the American Association of Petroleum Geologists have stopped trying to oppose the clear scientific consensus.
Nice straw man though.
It is the polluters who have billions of dollars to lose from regulation of greenhouse gasses. As good capitalists and marketers, they have taken steps to spread disinformation to convince the public that climate scientists don't know what they are doing.
DiscoGary has obviously been taken in by them.
http://www.campaigncc.org/climate_change/sceptics/fundersFat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:Global Warmists only search for evidence which supports their theory, ignoring or distorting non-conforming data to match their expectations while destroying the careers of any skeptic who questions their conclusions. Therefore, the Global Warming movement is not science.
This is a lie. There has been tons of research by highly qualified scientists who sought to poke holes in Global Warming. They have largely failed. Even the American Association of Petroleum Geologists have stopped trying to oppose the clear scientific consensus.
Nice straw man though.
It is the polluters who have billions of dollars to lose from regulation of greenhouse gasses. As good capitalists and marketers, they have taken steps to spread disinformation to convince the public that climate scientists don't know what they are doing.
DiscoGary has obviously been taken in by them.
http://www.campaigncc.org/climate_change/sceptics/funders
Oil and gas companies support climate regulation. More regulation = more influence = easier monopoly.
Buy More "Green"! wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:This is a lie. There has been tons of research by highly qualified scientists who sought to poke holes in Global Warming. They have largely failed. Even the American Association of Petroleum Geologists have stopped trying to oppose the clear scientific consensus.
Nice straw man though.
It is the polluters who have billions of dollars to lose from regulation of greenhouse gasses. As good capitalists and marketers, they have taken steps to spread disinformation to convince the public that climate scientists don't know what they are doing.
DiscoGary has obviously been taken in by them.
http://www.campaigncc.org/climate_change/sceptics/fundersOil and gas companies support climate regulation. More regulation = more influence = easier monopoly.
Our regulations, by the way, will do absolutely nothing to confront any climate change. The ball's not in our court.
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:Global Warmists only search for evidence which supports their theory, ignoring or distorting non-conforming data to match their expectations while destroying the careers of any skeptic who questions their conclusions. Therefore, the Global Warming movement is not science.
This is a lie. There has been tons of research by highly qualified scientists who sought to poke holes in Global Warming. They have largely failed. Even the American Association of Petroleum Geologists have stopped trying to oppose the clear scientific consensus.
Nice straw man though.
It is the polluters who have billions of dollars to lose from regulation of greenhouse gasses. As good capitalists and marketers, they have taken steps to spread disinformation to convince the public that climate scientists don't know what they are doing.
DiscoGary has obviously been taken in by them.
http://www.campaigncc.org/climate_change/sceptics/funders
All of your "experts" have been shown to be liars and cheats. The IPCC, NASA, and the NOAA have all changed the data to make it look like Global Warming is occurring when the real data shows nothing of the kind. We can no longer trust any of these organizations.
Again, it isn't science, it's politics. Follow the money and you'll find people being paid to draw the politically correct conclusions so that the GW gravy train can keep rolling.
And you are blaming climate scientists for fear mongering? What oppression have you suffered because of environmental regulations. The left used to be responsible for unreasonable scare tactics but the right has made that their only tactic. Climate change is one of only a large handful of topics that the right uses to scare people. Funny thing is that if you were going to line people up as fascist or not based on their politics, the right's line would be much longer.
Even if you do not believe a word about global warming, the benefits of a transition to alternative fuels are so huge that any rational being would be willfully denying reality in order to support an indefinite future of carbon based energy.
Coal is extremely dirty. Just look at China's major cities. There are days when you cannot go outside because it is dangerous to breath the air. Pollution control measure on coal plants are extremely expensive and do not solve the damage done by mining and the problem of disposal of coke products.
Oil is also a very dirty fuel source. Cars emit tons of smog producing gases and also toxics (butadiene 1,3 is always found in very unhealthy levels near highways and other congested roads). Oil production is dirty and dangerous. Most of the easily recovered oil is located in parts of the world that are dominated by very bad governments. Anyone who is serious about the war on terror should also be very interested in alternative energy sources. If Saudi Arabia and Iraq's main exports were cabbages and woven rugs, there would have never been an Al Qaeda or ISIS.
Finally, energy sources like solar, geothermal and wind in combination with the best practices for energy efficiency offer people the opportunity to have their energy needs met without being dependent on anyone. That means that terrorists, hackers, Enron-esque traders, and other bad actors will simply have no way to harm people via a vulnerable energy infrastructure.
It is about progress. Have you even thought about this? We still create energy using steam...STEAM!!!
The same technology they were using 100+ years ago we're still using. How is that progress!
We've figured out how to split a GD atom and we use it to make STEAM! And then we burry spent radioactive rods...rods that will be active for the next 100,000 years.
If the byproduct of coal, nuclear, oil etc. wasn't a toxic mess that kills 1000s each year and fills the air with a dirty cloud of nauseous chemicals, we wouldn't be here talking about this.
But the problem is they do. And they're having a massive effect on the environment and the health of the public.
Bloody Knuckles wrote:
And you are blaming climate scientists for fear mongering? What oppression have you suffered because of environmental regulations. The left used to be responsible for unreasonable scare tactics but the right has made that their only tactic. Climate change is one of only a large handful of topics that the right uses to scare people. Funny thing is that if you were going to line people up as fascist or not based on their politics, the right's line would be much longer.
Oh, the irony.
Do you people read what you write?
If liberals embraced nuclear energy we could be off coal by now. But they don't under the false threat that it's not safe (it's safer than coal), because they really just want an assault on capitalism.
Wind turbines are great, but they kill billions and billions of birds each year. So do tall buildings with lots of glass. In major metropolitan areas, business men and women have to wade through mounds of dead birds on their way into the office every morning. It's very sad.
Slovenia wrote:
Is the global warming movement about saving the environment, or is it about destroying Western culture and progress?
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