Salazar Good or Bad

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Some people like to be massaged, others not. Galen likes it. And Kara did. Mary not so much.

The list of failures is long, with careers and lives in carnage post contract.

the good, bad, and the sleazy wrote:

Some people like to be massaged, others not. Galen likes it. And Kara did. Mary not so much.

That may be part of it, but Mary has gotten worse. If she wasn't on drugs before joining, then the only explanation is the training.

Ha alan webb comes to mind. If he was on the juice, i wonder why he didn't do well there?

Runningman. wrote:

Salazar seems to do well with some of his athletes, mo rupp centro, but others have had mediocre or even negative results? Mary cain and jordan hassay have gone backwards.

Is it overtraining? Not taking into account what they did before they came to the nop, in terms of training?

Or Cain and Hasay have made huge strides forward.....

Mrr82 wrote:

Runningman. wrote:

Salazar seems to do well with some of his athletes, mo rupp centro, but others have had mediocre or even negative results? Mary cain and jordan hassay have gone backwards.

Is it overtraining? Not taking into account what they did before they came to the nop, in terms of training?

Or Cain and Hasay have made huge strides forward.....

Mary cain PR'd in the 800m and 1500m in 2013. Since joining the NOP she has gotten worse. She was put into a fast 1500m, a good opportunity to be pulled through to a PR or something close, but she didn't. She clearly is not in as good of shape as she was in 2013. Its sad because she probably is working 10 times harder than she did when she PR'd. Hasay has improved, but is injured now. There are a lot of people who don't seem to fit in well with that program. It makes me wonder if alberto thinks about this or not.

runningman. wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

Or Cain and Hasay have made huge strides forward.....

Mary cain PR'd in the 800m and 1500m in 2013. Since joining the NOP she has gotten worse. She was put into a fast 1500m, a good opportunity to be pulled through to a PR or something close, but she didn't. She clearly is not in as good of shape as she was in 2013. Its sad because she probably is working 10 times harder than she did when she PR'd. Hasay has improved, but is injured now. There are a lot of people who don't seem to fit in well with that program. It makes me wonder if alberto thinks about this or not.

2013 she was under Salazar, 2014 was her best year so far as well. Her 1500 at US Nats when she ran 4:06 behind Jenny was superior to her 4:04 pr. She also ran 2:35i wjr and a 4:24i mile in 2014 and 4:07 1500 in alberquerque winning indoor Nats, and focused on world jrs outdoors rather than chasing prs. 2015 was a flop, but it was not her first year in NOP as she joined NOP nov 2013 and not her first stint training with them. It was her first year in college and away from home which seemed more the issue.

When all is said and done, Salazar's great, truly great, contribution to US distance running will be his understanding that the US can be a force to be reckoned with in distance running once again, and it will take training groups to achieve that--and then he acted on that vision. As part and parcel of that, it was Salazar who brought Schumacher out to Portland to direct another Nike training group (yes, hard to imagine that now).

LOL @ Monte the uber-fanboy. Salazar is a horrible human being. The lives he has destroyed are many. Salazar needs to be taken down, suffer, and learn what it is like to treat other human beings as krap. A future like Eddy Hellebuyck would be a good minimum suffrage level for dirty Salazar.

No coach is going to have success with every runner, or even most of them. Salazar aims for medals, so to actually do the training necessary in order to achieve that there will be a greater risk of injury. The athletes understand this - they are taking a risk to maximize their ability. Salazar has had huge, huge success with his runners. That's just a fact. You can criticize him for a lot of things, but I wouldn't say his achievements as coach are one of them.

Dear Runningman;

If you can't spell Hasay's name correctly you obviously have not been following her progress too closely, huh? She PR'd in every event she ran last year, then got injured. On her way back to recovery, I understand she is looking to race again in the fall.

[quote]Jeepers plus wrote:

Dear Runningman;

If you can't spell Hasay's name correctly you obviously have not been following her progress too closely, huh? She PR'd in every event she ran last year, then got injured. On her way back to recovery, I understand she is looking to race again in the fall.[/quote

Heck, I've had good friends who I've known for decades who spell my last name incorrectly and a couple whose names I sometimes get wrong. Spelling someone's name wrong doesn't necessarily mean you aren't paying attention to them.

Black and white thinking--good or bad?

Okay, maybe I misread the situation.

The goal is world class running. It's an uncompromising approach and athletes take a big risk with Salazar for big rewards, they hope. With Cain, I think she wanted to find out early the scope of her capabilities. If this doesn't work out, and right now it looks like it won't, she can put this behind her and get on with life. Better than waiting until her mid-twenties to come to the same decision.

Hassay was running well until this year, as was Cain. Not good examples. There are others who have faltered at NOP but not really those two.