If poverty causes social ills, why aren't MD and PhD programs full of gang violence and unplanned pregnancy?

It seems obvious you've never been either....

Med school is filled, almost entirely, with rich kids. There is almost no one there from even a working class background.

And if you are paying for a PhD, you are doing it wrong. Very, very wrong.

Instead PhD programs are full of passive aggressiveness and planned pregnancies.

Most MD and PhD students don't come from crap families/family situations/neighborhoods.

CuriousPerson wrote:

It seems obvious you've never been either....

Med school is filled, almost entirely, with rich kids. There is almost no one there from even a working class background.

And if you are paying for a PhD, you are doing it wrong. Very, very wrong.

I didn't say that med students come from poor backgrounds. I said that they are poor while they are in med school. How much income do you think med students are earning?

And I also didn't say that PhD students pay tuition. I said that they are poor. A grad school stipend isn't much to live off of.

It's easy to be "poor" while you're in your teens and twenties studying when you know that mom and dad can bail you out. These "poor" kids going to $100k universities on their mom and dad's dime (while holding down that part-time job in the food court) should all get of our sympathy I guess.

poor student wrote:

CuriousPerson wrote:

It seems obvious you've never been either....

Med school is filled, almost entirely, with rich kids. There is almost no one there from even a working class background.

And if you are paying for a PhD, you are doing it wrong. Very, very wrong.

I didn't say that med students come from poor backgrounds. I said that they are poor while they are in med school. How much income do you think med students are earning?

And I also didn't say that PhD students pay tuition. I said that they are poor. A grad school stipend isn't much to live off of.

It was the highest standard of living I had experienced in my life. I thought I was doing quite well to get paid to go to school.

MD and PhD students have a lot more to lose. Many of the students at "inner-city" schools have all but accepted their lower-class status as permanent and a criminal record or an unexpected pregnancy will only make a marginal difference in their quality of life. Even though MD and PhD students are currently poor, there is an expectation that they will move up the ladder IF they don't do something stupid and screw up their lives.

Also, getting pregnant might actually increase an unemployed, poor person's standard of living as they can apply for more government handouts.

poor student wrote:

Your average med student has a negative net worth and takes out just enough in student loans to scrape by after paying tuition. If being poor forces people into a life of violence and poor decision making, why aren't med schools plagued by the same problems as inner-city schools that are full of poor students?

Logical proof that black people are violent malingerers by their very nature.

Consider the Great Depression. So many people lost entire fortunes but the only violence they engaged in was suicide.

CuriousPerson wrote:

It seems obvious you've never been either....

Med school is filled, almost entirely, with rich kids. There is almost no one there from even a working class background.

And if you are paying for a PhD, you are doing it wrong. Very, very wrong.

Not really dude. The average medical student/resident/new attending comes from upper middle class beginnings but even most of us DON'T have a lot of money ourselves.

My family is relatively wealthy. Not CA wealthy but ok for Iowa/Nebraska/Midwest. However, that money doesn't get to me. I went to the same public schools as the "poor" kids. And as a "model minority" my 4.0 GPA (thanks AP classes!), volunteering, all-state athlete at a big school, and 90 percentile test scores got me nothing for scholarships while "disadvantaged" students from the same neighborhood got full-ride scholarships with a 3.4 GPA and nothing else going on.

The average MD graduate has about 180,000 of debt when finished and the average DO graduate about 210,000 or so.

You do have like 3% of a medical school class getting everything paid by the bank of Mommy and Daddy but the vast majority of us be getting OWNED by the government loans. Yes, we represent.

So phuck off.

0/10

At least try!

yourealldumb wrote:

It's easy to be "poor" while you're in your teens and twenties studying when you know that mom and dad can bail you out. These "poor" kids going to $100k universities on their mom and dad's dime (while holding down that part-time job in the food court) should all get of our sympathy I guess.

My parents have too many kids; they DON'T have the cash to bail us out. So no, wrong again. The vast majority of us are screwed if we fail. Ergo, we work hard to succeed.

I lived on 13,000 a year during medical school and went to the cheapest "good" school in our state. Unfortunately it was 37,000 a year growing at 6.8% since our state has higher than average tuition figures. Out of state schools would have been much more expensive.

So living it up dog. Now as a resident I live on 11,000 a year. True story.

Correlation = causation

Ah yes. The old I'm upper-middle class but I'm actually quite poor.

CuriousPerson wrote:

Med school is filled, almost entirely, with rich kids. There is almost no one there from even a working class background.

That's unfair to say. There are plenty of opportunities for minorities from poor backgrounds to get a scholarship and to get a student loan.

They can work hard to make their parents proud and save money by eating top ramen. For example the Asians are taught to respect their elders and pushed to get good grades in school.

The problem is when there are a high number of pregnancies from single mothers. The children grow up without a stable family and get exposed to a rap culture about "pimping, weed, guns, and ganstas".

I'd say it has more to do with growing up in poverty that causes social ills.

TAA wrote:

I'd say it has more to do with growing up in poverty that causes social ills.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! Great job jamin.....errrr, I mean TAA.

yourealldumb wrote:

Ah yes. The old I'm upper-middle class but I'm actually quite poor.

Having upper-middle class parents doesn't make one upper-middle class themselves. If you don't make a lot of money, you are poor.

yourealldumb wrote:

Ah yes. The old I'm upper-middle class but I'm actually quite poor.

What you talking about dog? My PARENTS are upper middle class but are overextended with too many children. Ergo, I repeat, I do NOT get any money. My net worth is about -170,000 though. No house, nothing dog. Who financed my medical school cost of attendance? Moi.

Yes, that's why I have 200,00 in debt and the only equity I have is that in my ROTH IRA mutual funds, a pittance compared to the 200,000 debt.