Marathon pacing

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Avg heart rate was 165 according to my watch.. Not sure if that tells anything or not.. Or if that was accurate ... I'm still learning about heart rate(s).

Max HR was 182 I believe.

Anyone??

Throwitdown wrote:

Ok so I've been really struggling with this. I'm petrified of having another blowup marathon.

I was jus wondering... This weekk I ran a 17miler @7:01... This was in the middle of training with no taper. Was I tired yes but could've continued. What are the chances I could hold that for 9.2 more miles? Or maybe fading to a 7:03 to 7:10pace?

In need of sub3:10.. Running mid50s per work on avg. Have peeked twice at70mpw. Thanks!

I have never heard the word petrified associated with running, that's your problem right there.

Do the work, race smart and stay fueled and you will succeed. The heart rate stuff is just extra baggage.

Throwitdown wrote:

Max HR was 182 I believe.

If that max HR was accurate, 165 for a marathon pace effort would be way too high. That would be a hard tempo (or Daniels T pace) effort, in which case you would not have held it for 17 miles.

Since your max is not accurate you can't use HR effectively yet. I would think your max is higher.

Since your effort level sounds close but you have doubts, be conservative and start at the slow end. 7:15 for the first 16-20 miles and then start pushing harder if you still have legs. Starting too fast and trying to control the fade doesn't work well.

So u think I could go out with the3:05pacer?

Throwitdown wrote:

So u think I could go out with the3:05pacer?

Really

for some math tutoring...

Throwitdown wrote:

So u think I could go out with the3:05pacer?

While we would need a lot more information about your training and race times, I'd say it is highly unlikely that you would hold that pace for another 9.2 miles. You are talking about another hour+ at that pace. Even if you feel "pretty good" at 18 or 19, things will change dramatically. 7:10 will become 7:30, then 8:00, then 9:00.

I'm concerned for you. You fit the profile of someone who will crash & burn in the marathon...running your long runs too hard...a little light on the mileage...history of crashing and burning in the marathon...etc..

There's no way to know for sure...but the fact that you hit 182bpm during the run indicates you were probably going pretty hard. How old are you?

Do you have any other info...recent races...other long run times and heart rate data?

When is the marathon?

If you want to run 3:10, do not go out with the 3:05 group...start out with the 3:10-3:15 group...if they have one...and see how that feels.

What is your PR? What was your mileage in previous marathon? What was your pacing in the past?

I would say, most likely, go out at 7:15 and try for a 3:10. That is your biggest chance of success, given your insecurity of pace and light mileage. With that kind of mileage I wouldn't be taking too many chances.

Tiger Runner wrote:

What is your PR? What was your mileage in previous marathon? What was your pacing in the past? ...

More to the point - are there any obvious places where one could duck out and take a ride for 15 miles or so before sneaking back into the race?

My Pr is 3:20 of 45-50mpw. This yr I ran a spring marathon in 3:36 off about 4weeks training. Crazy I know.

Can consistently run a mid18 5k, did a sub 39 10k this yr, did a high 1:26 half last yr to give u a little background on me.

Doing the pfitz18/70 plan only 4wks to go. Probably been averaging 56 mpw.

Hoping for a 3:05-3:10.

Your short distance PRs indicate 3:05 is possible. Your training, however, is terrible.

3:10 is a good goal. Probably best to avoid doing any more 17 milers at sub-marathon pace though. Racing your long runs is not going to help at this point.

I would just stick to the Pftizinger plan to the end.

On race day...go out at 7:15-7:30 pace and then settle in to a pace that feels right. It's important to remind yourself that going out a little slower the first few miles of the race in no way prohibits you from running 3:05...if you are capable of running 3:05. An easy couple of early miles allows the possibility of a pleasant surprise and lowers the risk of a blow-up.

Good luck!

Throwitdown wrote:

Ok so I've been really struggling with this. I'm petrified of having another blowup marathon.

I was jus wondering... This weekk I ran a 17miler @7:01... This was in the middle of training with no taper. Was I tired yes but could've continued. What are the chances I could hold that for 9.2 more miles? Or maybe fading to a 7:03 to 7:10pace?

In need of sub3:10.. Running mid50s per work on avg. Have peeked twice at70mpw. Thanks!

Petrified....maybe that is your problem.

Sorry to disappoint but you are highly unlikely to hold that pace for another 9.2 miles. Don't underestimate how much quicker you will run on fresh legs, it really is pointless to try and extrapolated your race time from a training run on tired legs. apply yourself to training, train smart and look forward to how you will feel on race day.

My training had been pretty good for this marathon. I wasn't expecting any PRS on the 4 weeks training one. I am however expecting one in another month. Think I can do it??

Why go for 3:05 when you need 3:10? Get yourself one of these for 3:10 with a conserv start for your marathon. Helped me get my BQ. Keeps you from going out too fast. http://findmymarathon.com/paceband-coursebased.php

Throwitdown wrote:

So u think I could go out with the3:05pacer?