Why are America's other steeplechasers so slow? Jäger can run sub-8 but they mostly running 20 seconds slower?

As a coach I tell my kids that the key is to running faster times is running the same distance in less time. This is an approach I strongly encourage other coaches to adopt.

Cabral and Huling just ran 8:13/14 or 8:15 at USA's last weekend, after running the first round in 90+ degree weather. Cabral at least, after a 6 second drop, surely has more in the tank when rested and peaked properly, in good conditions.

Light Bulb wrote:

As a coach I tell my kids that the key is to running faster times is running the same distance in less time. This is an approach I strongly encourage other coaches to adopt.

Thanks for sharing your insight with us. Gems like these are why I continue to read the forum.

Evan without barriers is a much faster runner than any of his US competition. The guy is 3:32/13:00 shape right now. If I can remember correctly, Renato Canova said he tries to make Shaheen faster while maintaining technique in over hurdles in separate training. Hence why all of Said's training looked like 1500m/5k type training with very little hurdle work. The guy beat El G in a 5k.

In order for anyone to close the gap on Jager, they'd need to be in his ballpark of 1500m/5k times WHILE still having an ability to hurdle. No one is capable of that except possibly Rupp... and Rupp wouldn't steeple. A 3:36/13:20 guy won't beat Jager, he hurdles too well.

My pick for the next big steeple talent is Soratos. He looks like he is with an elastic stride, light on the feet.

Light Bulb wrote:

As a coach I tell my kids that the key is to running faster times is running the same distance in less time. This is an approach I strongly encourage other coaches to adopt.

This makes sense if you're working with very educated athletes. Many of my athletes don't have a solid foundation in calculus, so they might understand the concept you discuss on a surface level, but the underlying logic might be hard to grasp in any depth.

Amerikano wrote:

Evan without barriers is a much faster runner than any of his US competition. The guy is 3:32/13:00 shape right now. If I can remember correctly, Renato Canova said he tries to make Shaheen faster while maintaining technique in over hurdles in separate training. Hence why all of Said's training looked like 1500m/5k type training with very little hurdle work. The guy beat El G in a 5k.

In order for anyone to close the gap on Jager, they'd need to be in his ballpark of 1500m/5k times WHILE still having an ability to hurdle. No one is capable of that except possibly Rupp... and Rupp wouldn't steeple. A 3:36/13:20 guy won't beat Jager, he hurdles too well.

My pick for the next big steeple talent is Soratos. He looks like he is with an elastic stride, light on the feet.

Soratos seems a little too heavy for the steeple, like he's one of the bigger distance runners

not in a privileged district wrote:

Light Bulb wrote:

As a coach I tell my kids that the key is to running faster times is running the same distance in less time. This is an approach I strongly encourage other coaches to adopt.

This makes sense if you're working with very educated athletes. Many of my athletes don't have a solid foundation in calculus, so they might understand the concept you discuss on a surface level, but the underlying logic might be hard to grasp in any depth.

Maybe Canova could break it down for us?

Picture the other steeplers as the athletic equivalent of your English. No, that was mean; they're not that slow. Keep in mind Cabral made placed 8th at London and Huling is better than Cabral was then. After last week and yesterday I was actually thrilled to see how well American steeplers are doing on the international scene right now. The fact that Jager is head and shoulders ahead of two potential World Championship finalists is just simply exciting.

The Puzzler wrote:

What is up with those slowpokes?

See: Galen Rupp.

Analysis wrote:

Picture the other steeplers as the athletic equivalent of your English. No, that was mean; they're not that slow. Keep in mind Cabral made placed 8th at London and Huling is better than Cabral was then. After last week and yesterday I was actually thrilled to see how well American steeplers are doing on the international scene right now. The fact that Jager is head and shoulders ahead of two potential World Championship finalists is just simply exciting.

You're really going to call out someone's English in a post littered with typos and several poorly constructed sentences? Show us your PhD, Dr. J.K. Rowling.

One typo.

Aside from that, have we really devolved to the point that as soon as someone writes with any complexity at all, the sentences are deemed "poorly contstructed? " I mean, you used the term "poorly constructed." I'm embarrassed for you.

Because physiologically and structurally Jager is the one white guy in millions who was born with all the attributes of a Kenyan except dark skin and frizzy hair.

Not hard to figure out.

What you don't realize is that 8:20 is a major landmark in track times. It is the 6 meters per second barrier.

3000m/500s = 6 m/s

Once you get past the 6 m/s barrier, what's next? 6.1 m/s, 6.2 m/s, and so on. It gets old and that's why so few keep going until they get to 6.25 m/s.

Amerikano wrote:

Evan without barriers is a much faster runner than any of his US competition. The guy is 3:32/13:00 shape right now. If I can remember correctly, Renato Canova said he tries to make Shaheen faster while maintaining technique in over hurdles in separate training. Hence why all of Said's training looked like 1500m/5k type training with very little hurdle work. The guy beat El G in a 5k.

In order for anyone to close the gap on Jager, they'd need to be in his ballpark of 1500m/5k times WHILE still having an ability to hurdle. No one is capable of that except possibly Rupp... and Rupp wouldn't steeple. A 3:36/13:20 guy won't beat Jager, he hurdles too well.

My pick for the next big steeple talent is Soratos. He looks like he is with an elastic stride, light on the feet.

Very interesting point on Soratos. MSU(and a lot of BigSkyConf.) schools tend to try alot of their guys in steeple. I think it was a way to get guys to NCAA back when the standard was weaker than other distance events.,,anywho... After you made that point Im wondering if Soratos ever tried and just didn't take to it, or if his 1500 was just so good that they never considered it. But he looks strong enough for it.. maybe his speed is more geared towards a steeple than a world class 1500.

Cory Leslie is just as 1500 fast as Jager and even faster at 800 and 1000 meters. Way faster than Huling and Cabral at under-distance events. He needs to get his 5k PR down. Cabral and Huling are sub,13:20 and Jager is sub, 13.

I think my college coach had the American Record in the steeple in the 70's, but don't recall for sure. What is the progression of the AR in the steeple since it started being run?

Light Bulb wrote:

As a coach I tell my kids that the key is to running faster times is running the same distance in less time. This is an approach I strongly encourage other coaches to adopt.

If you want to achieve this, the important thing is to get these runners to increase their leg-speed velocity.

Larry Rawlins wrote:

Light Bulb wrote:

As a coach I tell my kids that the key is to running faster times is running the same distance in less time. This is an approach I strongly encourage other coaches to adopt.

If you want to achieve this, the important thing is to get these runners to increase their leg-speed velocity.

No...calf momentum is much more important.

Speculate all you want OP but Jager is not a sub 8 guy.