Are you disappointed in Salazar and the ethics of US running?

Where have you been for the last 20+ years?

Whenever he speaks he tells everyone that he is all about doing everything possible to win. Why is any of this new to you?

When Magness and the Gouchers joined they did so BECAUSE he was going to leave no stone unturned for them. When it turned out that leaving no stone unturned wasn't enough or that Magness wasn't capable of being cutthroat, they started pointing fingers.

The problem is that Salazar had already told everyone as much as they have. This is a case of put up or shut up. We all think AlSal is guilty, many of us think Kara, Adam and Steve are guilty. The difference is that Sal WANTS us to think he is guilty, it gives his athletes an EDGE. AlSal will GLADLY accept the fine for once or twice sending pharmaceuticals that he technically shouldn't have had possession of through the mail to keep up the image and the EDGE.

Awesome response^^^^

Personally I think Salazar instructed rupp to lose the 5000 to help take the heat off him then thank the toughness of his competitors.

Brilliant move Salazar and the sport is lucky to have him

Giving drugs and massages to a Catholic schoolboy (Rupp when a teen) and testing performance enhancing drugs on his own children is not what the parents of athletes want a coach to be doing. Salazar is done. His former athletes are going to sue him, Nike, and the doctors for pushing them onto harmful medications they didn't really need.

Salazar is a great man and he has done nothing wrong.

Just a bunch of jealous haters. The accusers and most people on this site.

Ethics haven't changed. Most of the USS 1984 and 1988 Olympic squads were doping.

We need a Truth Commission for former athletes.

I know what to think wrote:

Salazar is a great man and he has done nothing wrong.

Just a bunch of jealous haters. The accusers and most people on this site.

It's very likely the same 2 or 3 trolls starting all the threads and posting to each other, very similar to the Brojos posts in threads, starting threads and all over their front pages, basically the same things, then answering themselves to try and make it look like others feel the same way.

I don't know what to think wrote:

I always thought he was a great man. I'm stunned by all the deceptive stuff.

I don't know what to think about USA elite running anymore.

All sports are the same now. We hoped track and field would take the higher road, but the ego's of coaches to produce winners and establish their legacy, plus athletes who want to win and be liked, is what has dragged T&F down the sewer with other sports cheats.

Certain people wrote:

It's very likely the same 2 or 3 trolls starting all the threads and posting to each other, very similar to the Brojos posts in threads, starting threads and all over their front pages, basically the same things, then answering themselves to try and make it look like others feel the same way.

It is obvious you are talking about those few trolls/employees who work for Salazar's public relations firm. You know, those guys who focused their attacks on a woman all of Monday, and left the man they hate so much alone.

I always admired Salazar for his toughness for his competitiveness but this is different. Putting Androgel on your son to see if it would get detected by testing. (I don't buy that "doing it to protect my players" crap for a minute) All that refusing to speak under oath. So many of his athletes using "permitted drugs". Doing everything you can I expect from Salazar, cheating I do not. Being so evasive is very disappointing. I am sure there are hundreds of people associated with Salazar or relatives or friends of those trained by him that will come to his defense. Another hero bites the dust. I thought he was the best thing that ever happened to running. But I loved Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire too.

I do not like how NOP has emerged as the be all end all for professional distance running in the US. Athletes on NOP get paid top dollar in the sport and have access to the top training facilities in the US. They have alter G treadmills, tons of top trainers and physios, and get to train at altitude and stay in nice apartments/hotels. Other athletes, even those who are at the top of the sport, do not get nearly as good a deal. NOP has emerged as such a Shangri La for runners that everyone wants to see them crash and burn to even the playing field.

Salazar adds to that environment a very aggressive competitive attitude. He gets in the face of race officials when Gabby has a brief tangle with a fading Hasay at indoors, when most other coaches would have congratulated Gabby on a solid race. He aggressively pursues supplements and medications for his athletes when others would just deal with the aches and pains or take a few days off. Frankly, Salazar is really just doing what the European coaches and agents are doing for their top E. African athletes with regards to aggressively pursuing every non-doping performance enhancer available to him. He does not meet the blue collar myth we all want to believe in. But he gets results.

Let's not play innocent choir boys here. There is no professional sport existence where winners/winning coaches don't exploit every advantage they can get. Many use doping against the rules, and many others use everything they can without getting caught.

Salazar takes a "total body approach" to training, and I believe that is the way to go in the 21st century. Methods have to evolve to experiment and utilize new techniques.

Our runners will not be as successful on the elite stage without him. That's the truth. The purpose of races is to win, and that's the attitude we have to maintain. Otherwise, we should all just be hobby joggers and go buy some more water bottles for the next 2 mile jog.

I don't think the athletes or the athletes parents want the coach, no matter how good the results are, risking the future health of the athletes. Would you like to have had Salazar's career, supported with medications, and the resulting health problems? He nearly died of a heart attack, wears an electronic heart pace maker, has the hormone levels of a 90 year old woman, and is on medications for life. He didn't learn the lesson and he is using prescription medications on his athletes to compensate for the body's need to rest. Like him, their future health will suffer. Rupp will be on hormone Meds for life. I wouldn't trade my health for even Olympic gold. The athlete's are too young to realize that thier future health is the most important thing in their lives. Salazar is abusing that nievity.

DC Wonk wrote:

Let's not play innocent choir boys here. There is no professional sport existence where winners/winning coaches don't exploit every advantage they can get. Many use doping against the rules, and many others use everything they can without getting caught.

Our runners will not be as successful on the elite stage without him. That's the truth. The purpose of races is to win, and that's the attitude we have to maintain. Otherwise, we should all just be hobby joggers and go buy some more water bottles for the next 2 mile jog.

(1) The everybody does it excuse with the cheat or be a hobby jogger comment for the closing argument (or excuse) for cheating.

(2) If you have to cheat to win, are you really winning?

You made an honest post, it's appreciated, but it's a very sad commentary on the thinking regarding doping. I thought we were better than cyclists.

Yes, that's just the way I feel about it. I don't know whether Salazar has athletes using banned substances or not. But I love speed sports like running and cycling, and as much as I'd like everyone to play by the same rules, I just don't think it's realistic anymore.

Just look at the sad state of the NCAA. I say sad because it is absolutely nothing but a money making machine, athletes be damned. Is there anyone out there in the NCAA who proposes random drug tests of NCAA football players - no. It's all left to the schools, which are part of the machine. Steroids and HGH are common in the NCAA, and every Div. 1 coach knows it, yet millions of people spend millions of dollars every year watching athletes full of PEDs. The concussion problem is just a predictable result when you have freakishly strong, quick, and heavy people banging heads.

I just want to see the US compete at the elite level, and as others have noted, is something really cheating when a majority of the athletes use PEDs of some sort? I don't know.

Wrong Finish Line wrote:

I don't think the athletes or the athletes parents want the coach, no matter how good the results are, risking the future health of the athletes. Would you like to have had Salazar's career, supported with medications, and the resulting health problems? He nearly died of a heart attack, wears an electronic heart pace maker, has the hormone levels of a 90 year old woman, and is on medications for life. He didn't learn the lesson and he is using prescription medications on his athletes to compensate for the body's need to rest. Like him, their future health will suffer. Rupp will be on hormone Meds for life. I wouldn't trade my health for even Olympic gold. The athlete's are too young to realize that thier future health is the most important thing in their lives. Salazar is abusing that nievity.

Competition, sports, going for broke is all well and good - in any sports. Playing, running, while injured or sick or exhausted isn't good.

Winning is great but isn't the only thing.

Witnessed the FIFA 1/4 finals Sat. Canada lost to England. Both womens teams played exceptionally well. The disappointment was evident for the Canadian players, it was natural. Just hope the Canadian captain Christine Sinclair and her team will put it all into perspective. Losing a race or a game isn't like losing a friend or having to have a beloved pet put down due to renal failure :(

Anyhow, back to running and this doping allegations and inquiry, I'm just saddened by all that's gone on and on here. I too think AlSal (as he's known here) was a great runner, competitor. Stil take away the honour of being in the same Duel In The Sun Boston 1982 even though I was 3/4 hr or more behind so didn't see any of it.

But, as OP said, I just don't know what to think, believe, or to whatever anymore.

Maybe the answer will come out end of the naxt month, or end of Summer?

We will have to wait and see.

All-Sports wrote:

Certain people wrote:

It's very likely the same 2 or 3 trolls starting all the threads and posting to each other, very similar to the Brojos posts in threads, starting threads and all over their front pages, basically the same things, then answering themselves to try and make it look like others feel the same way.

It is obvious you are talking about those few trolls/employees who work for Salazar's public relations firm. You know, those guys who focused their attacks on a woman all of Monday, and left the man they hate so much alone.

No, I'm talking about you, the areshole.

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areshole.

Very British of you, chap. Did you crack one off while typing that?

You realize even colleges have Alter-G treadmills? German Fernandez was using one at Oklahoma.

As for Gabby, she cheated and deserved to be DQ, the disgrace is that she got reinstated (thank you Brojos) because how dare you DQ a woman, a woman who supposedly had thyroid cancer, she should be able to run right over people. She made a career of out running dirty like that:

Why is everyone forgetting Gabe Grunewald's (nee Anderson) DQ in the 2012 Oly Trials?

Great post. LR is so loaded with hypocrites that it is humorous at time. Performance Enhancement has been going on here in the US and around the world for the past 40-50 years. Sometimes it is improvements in equipment, even more dense tracks, PED's, blood doping, TUE's, more mileage, better knowledge of injury prevention and recovery....all part of the picture. The LR idiots would probably like us to go back to dirt tracks, bamboo poles, Texas Rolls, the old javelins and other throw implements...it is a joke that they have decided that Salazar shouldn't be able to offer the latest "legal" enhancements possible for his athletes.