O'bamacare turns five today

The whole thing is backed by federal subsidies. No one could afford to join the plan if the government wasn't paying them to do it.

DiscoGary wrote:

The whole thing is backed by federal subsidies. No one could afford to join the plan if the government wasn't paying them to do it.

False.

Factor wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

The whole thing is backed by federal subsidies. No one could afford to join the plan if the government wasn't paying them to do it.

False.

True

Some 7.5 million people have signed up for 2015 coverage on the federal exchange, healthcare.gov, and qualified for subsidies, as of mid-February, according to Kaiser Family Foundation calculations. The subsidies average $268 a month, covering 72% of the premium. Enrollees shell out $105 a month, on average.

Obamacare is simply a messy way of providing national health care.

DiscoGary wrote:

Obamacare is simply a messy way of providing national health care.

That's the first remotely intelligent thing you have ever said. It's not actually intelligent, since Obamacare does not provide national health care, but you really are much closer thank normal. Obamacare is a messy step towards a national health care program. Why is it messy though? Because fifty percent of our government offers no solutions to anything, and 50% of our population is ignorant enough to believe them. If it seems like I am being harsh, don't worry. I am not going to let myself off easily. I just wasted energy responding to DiscoGary. I am no better than anyone else. I won't make the same mistake again.

DiscoGary'sBoyfriend wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Obamacare is simply a messy way of providing national health care.

blah, blah, blah ... Obamacare is a messy step towards a national health care program. ... blah, blah, blah

I'm glad we could find some common ground.

DiscoGary'sBoyfriend wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Obamacare is simply a messy way of providing national health care.

That's the first remotely intelligent thing you have ever said. It's not actually intelligent, since Obamacare does not provide national health care, but you really are much closer thank normal. Obamacare is a messy step towards a national health care program. Why is it messy though? Because fifty percent of our government offers no solutions to anything, and 50% of our population is ignorant enough to believe them. If it seems like I am being harsh, don't worry. I am not going to let myself off easily. I just wasted energy responding to DiscoGary. I am no better than anyone else. I won't make the same mistake again.

Hmmm, you just described the vast majority of Obama voters.

Five years later, the barriers to medical care are more difficult than ever. Even with insurance, I have to pay $150-200 out of pocket for an office visit just to bask in the glory of a doctor for 5-10 minutes regardless of whether I receive any help or not. Oh, but I should ger down on my knees and thank Obama for the great Fortune of having a little plastic card to carry in my wallet that says I have insurance. Give me a f*cking break. Absolutely f*ck this miserable excuse for a President.

DiscoGary wrote:

Factor wrote:

False.

True

http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/03/news/economy/obamacare-subsidies-supreme-court-king-burwell/index.html

Some 7.5 million people have signed up for 2015 coverage on the federal exchange, healthcare.gov, and qualified for subsidies, as of mid-February, according to Kaiser Family Foundation calculations. The subsidies average $268 a month, covering 72% of the premium. Enrollees shell out $105 a month, on average.

Obamacare is simply a messy way of providing national health care.

You failed to support the original post that I correctly identified as false. Sorry.

Rock n roll Gary wrote:

DiscoGary'sBoyfriend wrote:

That's the first remotely intelligent thing you have ever said. It's not actually intelligent, since Obamacare does not provide national health care, but you really are much closer thank normal. Obamacare is a messy step towards a national health care program. Why is it messy though? Because fifty percent of our government offers no solutions to anything, and 50% of our population is ignorant enough to believe them. If it seems like I am being harsh, don't worry. I am not going to let myself off easily. I just wasted energy responding to DiscoGary. I am no better than anyone else. I won't make the same mistake again.

Hmmm, you just described the vast majority of Obama voters.

You are proving his point!

All true. Now deductibles and other insurance company garbage scams to prevent them from covering our costs are high, but for many they were even worse before and what we do get is very considerable, subsidies for many--all of which is generating more budget SURPLUS for the gov't when the fees are factored in, kids can stay on parental plan to 26, you can't get turned down or kicked off for pre-existing/serious condition like cancer, for the poor in democratic states you can get on medicaid, you get free yearly checkups, there's a focus on preventive care and quite a bit of money for experimentation on cutting costs through other methods like taking care of the heavy users of medical services in more efficient ways, and if there's a serious emergency, you are not going to be bankrupted by it. In the past, half of all bankruptcies were from medical care costs.