Fayetteville Manlius boys and girls have both qualified for NXN 9 of 11 years - does any other program have more?

york (kroy) boys 2004-2012, winning it in 2004. did not qualify in 13-14. check it though.

Southlake Carroll goes often for girls, though out of a much softer region.

saratoga (kinetic) girls qualified every year but 1 (05 or 06 can't recall), winning it in 2004, 2nd to fm a few times.

saugus cali girls qualifed several times, 2nd to fm a few times as well.

check southlake carroll tx boys and girls, made it a bunch of times too.

same with woodlands (tx) boys.

there are others, not sure if qualified 9 times out of 11 (like fm) though, and for both boys and girls in same school. mostly one or the other. look it up.

tully runners should have every year going back to 2004.

Carmel (IN)

The Woodlands

dave bowman wrote:

york (kroy) boys 2004-2012, winning it in 2004. did not qualify in 13-14. check it though.

Here is Kroy/Elmhurst at NXN starting in 2004 - 1st, 2nd, 10th, 9th, 2nd, 13th, 14th, 13th, 6th, DNQ, DNQ.

So they have 9 of 11 with one title.

Here is American Fork since 2009 - 8th , 8th , 6th, 2nd, 7th, 5th.

frank poole wrote:

saratoga (kinetic) girls qualified every year but 1 (05 or 06 can't recall), winning it in 2004, 2nd to fm a few times.

So the Saratoga girls have made it one more time than FM (10) but they only have one title.

Saratoga since 2004 - 1st, 2nd, DNQ, 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 5th, 15th, 10th

So here's something I've uncovered. An upstate New York team has won every single NXN title but one. And the one team not from New York that one it was Wayzata, MN. So there must be something to being from the cold! It's ceratinly way easeir to train in the summer at FM than it was for me growing up in Dallas Tx.

2004 - Saratoga

2005 - Hilton

2006 -12 - FM

2013 - Wayzata

2014 - FM

Carrol (Girls) - DNQ, 3rd, 3rd, 18th, DNQ, DNQ, 22nd, 7th, 2nd, 17th, DNQ

I'm not sure about 2004 as a lot of teams had different names but it looks like they have 7 qualifications - no more than 8.

Comparing the FM boys against York, both schools have made it 9 times, both have 1 title and both have two runners-up. However, FM has an average place of 7.22 (65 points) versus an average place of 7.78 for York (70 points).

So FM has the best boys team and best girls team in the country since the inception of NXN.

don't think those teams have it 'easier' (think year round) than a warm weather climate, but presents a different set of 'challenges' than a warm weather climate. dealing with cold, wind, snow, ice, a good part of the year vs dealing with extreme heat and humidity during the day for a good part of the year. you can acclimate to anything if you really want to. what about the old school way of heat training in summer in preparation for a fall marathon. increased blood volume etc.

Don't forget the Saratoga boys won in '05 and I believe have qualified some other times

Arcadia Ca boys 2 x winners. They seemed to handle training in the heat just fine, and winning in colder conditions. Similar climate to texas, no?

So Cal wrote:

Arcadia Ca boys 2 x winners. They seemed to handle training in the heat just fine, and winning in colder conditions. Similar climate to texas, no?

Not really.

rojo wrote:

Comparing the FM boys against York, both schools have made it 9 times, both have 1 title and both have two runners-up. However, FM has an average place of 7.22 (65 points) versus an average place of 7.78 for York (70 points).

So FM has the best boys team and best girls team in the country since the inception of NXN.

As of this year they do, without their win this year they were behind and we'll see what happens next year.

Overall It's very tough to call FM appears to have taken the edge with York failing to qualify this year, however York has possibly the best freshman in the country now and could be coming back hot next year.

right now I give the edge to FM but its close.

North Central (Spokane): 2007-2014, so 8 times.

6, 1, 7, 6, 7, 3, 8, 3

Average Place: 5.125

Proud of the Spokane Boys wrote:

North Central (Spokane): 2007-2014, so 8 times.

6, 1, 7, 6, 7, 3, 8, 3

Average Place: 5.125

Very impressive.

Question; How many high school programs in all states consistently take the NXN serious enough to emphasize it to their athletes, pool resources for travel to regional/national meets, really think they have a chance to qualify etc....???? I'm guessing there is only a small percentage and therefore the same schools continue to show up again and again. Those who live in densely populated areas should continue to produce better squads on a regular basis as long as they have coaches that care. What's the big deal here with the OP? Hey, mines bigger than yours..... WooHooo!!!!

Impressive.... wrote:

Question; How many high school programs in all states consistently take the NXN serious enough to emphasize it to their athletes, pool resources for travel to regional/national meets, really think they have a chance to qualify etc....???? I'm guessing there is only a small percentage and therefore the same schools continue to show up again and again. Those who live in densely populated areas should continue to produce better squads on a regular basis as long as they have coaches that care. What's the big deal here with the OP? Hey, mines bigger than yours..... WooHooo!!!!

At least in the region I coach in, all of the top teams attend with their full squad. I can't think of an instance where a top team is conspicuously missing from the NXR race. Does Po Dunk High show up with their five 18:00 guys? No, but nobody's missing them. Only exception might be Michigan—does their HS league still prohibit them from attending at all?

Proud of the Spokane Boys wrote:

North Central (Spokane): 2007-2014, so 8 times.

6, 1, 7, 6, 7, 3, 8, 3

Average Place: 5.125

Hard to argue against a team that has made it the past 8 years, averaging just over 5th place.

Two wins trumps all. Arcadia #1 all-time until someone wins another.