Yeah, the NCAA xc meet isn't until tomorrow, but the first indoor meets are just two weeks away--time to start talking about another season of The Sport, track & field!
Thoughts?
Yeah, the NCAA xc meet isn't until tomorrow, but the first indoor meets are just two weeks away--time to start talking about another season of The Sport, track & field!
Thoughts?
Ivyguy wrote:
Thoughts?
I think the Harvard women have to rate as the preseason favorites. They maybe didn't have quite the recruiting class that they had in 2013, but they shored up some (relatively) weak areas--and have so much talent returning! I think they only graduated about 15 points from their team that won indoor Heps by 20--and they didn't even maximize their point production in that meet. They'll be hosting indoors again, and they have a killer senior class that I'm sure would love to go out as winners.
Obviously the women from Dartmouth and Columbia graduated (or otherwise lost) a lot of t&f points, so I can't pick a preseason "favorite" for second. Watch out for Princeton, Cornell, and Penn--I was going to say they brought in outstanding recruiting classes, but that seems to be true for pretty much every team in the League these days.
For the men? Well, Cornell won indoor Heps handily last year, but graduated a slew of sprint/jump/hept points. They recruited cannily, potentially making up a lot of those losses, but didn't reach quite the same level with this incoming class as they did in 2013--and it's tough, anyway, to count on points from freshmen, especially on the men's side.
Princeton will be ready to exploit any Big Red weaknesses, but I'm most interested to see whether Harvard (and, most likely, Penn) will continue to make strides forward, potentially breaking up the CU/PU "dual" meet of the last several years.
ill post my rankings in a couple weeks
fun. wrote:
ill post my rankings in a couple weeks
Outstanding! Looking forward to it.
It must be tough to put those together this early: some rosters aren't set; some ungraduated athletes that you'd expect would return to the team, don't; some recruits, even highly ballyhooed ones, end up not coming out for the squad; and other kids are on the team during the first semester but not the second.
But fun. manages to put together great analyses anyway!
kibitzer wrote:
For the men? Well, Cornell won indoor Heps handily last year, but graduated a slew of sprint/jump/hept points.
That was a tremendous senior class, but it's not like the cupboard is bare.
As usual, Cornell has a bunch of returners who have done multis, with two guys at 47xx in the hept and a third at 51xx. They have returning guys who've gone 49+ and 50+ in the triple jump, and three at 23+ in the long. They have a 7-1 high jumper coming back and three guys over 16-2 in the vault (one who's over by more than a foot!).
They did take a real hit in the short sprints, but still return 6.9x and 10.7x (plus 21.xx and three 22.xx in the 200 and 47/48/48/many 49s at 400). And they brought in four guys at 10.81 or faster in the 100, some of whom realistically could contribute as frosh.
Princeton graduated some outstanding athletes, too, so i don't think Cornell is particularly vulnerable in its title defenses. My beloved Big Red certainly should start the season as the presumptive favorites to repeat.
kibitzer wrote:
Obviously the women from Dartmouth and Columbia graduated (or otherwise lost) a lot of t&f points, so I can't pick a preseason "favorite" for second [behind Harvard]. Watch out for Princeton, Cornell, and Penn--I was going to say they brought in outstanding recruiting classes, but that seems to be true for pretty much every team in the League these days.
Not to slight the wonderful Cornell women's team, which finished an atypical fifth at Heps (but second at ECAC) indoors last year, then third at Heps outdoors:
The Big Red women have a roster similar to the men's in some ways--about 90(!) athletes, with roughly 30% of them freshmen--but a look through the squad's returning members suggests that Heps-level scoring potential is more concentrated, compared to the Cornell men. (That's not necessarily a hindrance: in their Heps wins of recent years, many of the women's points came from a few individuals/events.) No secret that the longer sprints remain a real strength!
But Cornell did have very productive recruiting that helped fill some gaps and, depending on how the freshmen (many with Heps-caliber PRs) adapt, the Big Red could be a real contender--maybe even for first, especially outdoors, where the longer throws, steeplechase, and 10,000 play to the strengths of their veterans and/or newcomers.
Cornell hosted its annual relays meet this weekend. Results were variable as you'd expect in a December rust-buster:
http://cornellbigred.com/documents/2014/12/6//2014_Greg_Page_Relays_Results.pdf?id=6330
pent:
http://cornellbigred.com/documents/2014/12/6//2014_Greg_Page_Relays_Pentathlon_Results.pdf?id=6329
hept:
http://cornellbigred.com/documents/2014/12/6//2014_Greg_Page_Gelays_Heptathlon_results.pdf?id=6328
Cornell's Max Hairston was MVP on the track. He opened his season with 7.88 in the hurdles and 34.61 for 300. I heard that both are PRs.
Grant Sisserson was MVP in the field. He vaulted 5.05/16-6 3/4.
The only throwing marks for Cornell were in the women's weight. An official sustained a terrible head injury after the first flight in the men's weight. The remaining throwing events were canceled.
Here are the Ivy performance listings: http://tfrrs.org/lists/1397.html
Ithacan wrote:
Cornell hosted its annual relays meet this weekend. Results were variable as you'd expect in a December rust-buster:
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The only throwing marks for Cornell were in the women's weight. An official sustained a terrible head injury after the first flight in the men's weight. The remaining throwing events were canceled.
Oh God! I hope the official is ok... what happened? A really bad sector foul or something?
I was checking through some of the other team results, and what caught my attention were some of the sprint times from the Manhattan Season Opener, which Columbia contested. They had 1 men's and 1 women's 60m dash times that would have placed among the best in conference history for both genders, but both of those 60m times were closer to their 55m bests, so I questioned if the 60m was actually contested. I reached out to Coach Jones, and he clarified that the 60m times were handheld, not FAT. I don't know if this is the case for the hurdles as well. [Just in case if anyone was wondering...]
But Hairston's 60HH time I believe is 3rd best in conference history. Definitely not a bad season opener.
Sector foul but only by a couple of feet. I saw the accident and the official was facing the circle and sector but just did not get out of the way. People at the meet were saying that he had almost gotten hit a couple of times during the preceding women's event too.
I don't know the official status yet but he is definitely not okay. Let's leave it at that.
What a way to start the season. I hope the athletes are mentally ok after witnessing or hearing something about that.
Confirmed that the Manhattan Season Opener was all done by handheld times.
Also, Princeton's Ratcliffe is only 5 cm away from breaking the 20m barrier in the indoor weight - she threw 19.95m (65-05 1/2) yesterday in her season debut on her final throw of the competition.
Ithacan wrote:
I don't know the official status yet but he is definitely not okay.
Word from another thread is that he didn't make it. So sad.
Found online articles about the incident. So sad.
http://www.ithacajournal.com/story/news/local/2014/12/09/cornell-track-field-death/20153407/
This article is wrong. The throwing events were halted after the accident and did not resume. All results from the weight throw that were posted are from the flights before the accident.
Harvard hosted its Beantown Challenge and finished second on the men's side, first on the women's:
http://gocrimson.com/sports/track/2014-15/releases/20150117tm2kr8
It's early days yet, and it looked like all the teams had noticeable absenteeism. But I think it's time to acknowledge that Saretsky et al. have put together one of the all-time great women's Ivy programs. They easily (without maximizing their scoring potential) defeated a resurgent Cornell squad that some have touted as contenders; and although the Crimson are senior-laden, they got a ton of points here from the younger classes. They're going to be in good shape for a long time. Could they put together a winning streak to rival the one that Cornell had, several years back?
The Cornell men took the meet handily, but showed their own lineup gaps. (I believe they have not resumed classes yet, which could explain some of the holes.) The Big Red should certainly get a tussle from Princeton at this year's Heps meets; frankly, I had expected Harvard to give them more of a battle at this meet (but the Crimson likely were missing people, too). CU's Grant Sisserson had a fine 17-3 pole vault--strange to remember, though, that Penn's Tom Blair jumped even higher, 40+ years ago!
The Harvard men theoretically have more points on "the bench", with their horizontal jumpers yet to open up. There is potential for 20+ points at Heps right there: Safo should win the LJ handily, while Uwaifo and Mason Rodriguez should both score in the TJ (with Uwaifo challenging for the win).
Tiger '10 wrote:
The Harvard men theoretically have more points on "the bench", with their horizontal jumpers yet to open up. There is potential for 20+ points at Heps right there: Safo should win the LJ handily, while Uwaifo and Mason Rodriguez should both score in the TJ (with Uwaifo challenging for the win).
Good point(s).
While it looks like all the Ivies were scheduled for action this weekend, some major players (projected to be, anyway) continue not to show in meet results. Injuries? Epidemic of the flu or something? No longer on the team? Hard to say, but the absences are striking and almost all the teams seem to be affected--and Heps is only five weeks away! If this continues, doping out the meet could be difficult for fun. or whomever.
Cornell is one of the teams with MIAs, but still managed to win both sides of its home meet this weekend:
http://www.tfrrs.org/results/36248.html. Really nice to see these scoring meets, and they managed to put together a solid field with Albany, Army, Binghamton, Buffalo, and Syracuse included. Performance of the meet would probably go to defending Heps 35#WT champ Bryan Rhodes, whose 20.56m (67-5 1/2) I believe just cracks the all-time Ivy top ten. (Also a CU school record by a couple feet, I believe.)
Brown was also in a scoring meet and took a pair of seconds against good competition:
http://www.tfrrs.org/results/37542.html.
But the "big" meet yesterday was the Columbia-Dartmouth-Yale triangular:
http://www.tfrrs.org/results/37444.html. Dartmouth produced a pair of dominant wins in a meet that was marked by *close* competition in several events--a fun meet for the spectator! Dartmouth shows a lot of Heps-level scoring potential, particularly on the women's side--no surprise, with the likes of Dana Giordano (4:43y) and considerable strength in the jumps.
kibitzer wrote:
...some major players (projected to be, anyway) continue not to show in meet results. Injuries? Epidemic of the flu or something? No longer on the team? Hard to say, but the absences are striking and almost all the teams seem to be affected--and Heps is only five weeks away!
What "big guns" are missing? This is not the only place I've seen/heard this mentioned--seriously, who's out?
Ivyguy wrote:
kibitzer wrote:...some major players (projected to be, anyway) continue not to show in meet results. Injuries? Epidemic of the flu or something? No longer on the team? Hard to say, but the absences are striking and almost all the teams seem to be affected--and Heps is only five weeks away!
What "big guns" are missing? This is not the only place I've seen/heard this mentioned--seriously, who's out?
And which schools? (confused)
FYI - I read this on Brown's twitter feed, but it looks like there will be an alumni mile race at Indoor Heps this year! More details to come, but has anyone else heard something about this?
2015 HEPS VIRTUAL ANALYSIS v1.0
Things to remember this is not a prediction yet, because we don't know who will run what events and if everyone is healthy.
Just a good overview to keep in perspective previous year's marks for those who are waiting to peak at conferences.
PB TOP 8 LISTS (Not including HS PBs; 1500m times converted to Mile via 1.079 factor, Wind Aided Marks from Outdoor ignored, Converted indoor marks to banked track standards via USTFCCCA)
Does Not include the 3 relays (4x4, 4x8, DMR)
118.33 Cornell (4 Athletes Ranked 7th/8th)
099.25 Princeton (9 Athletes Ranked 7th/8th)
069.83 Penn (1 Athlete Ranked 7th/8th)
069.00 Columbia (5 Athletes Ranked 7th/8th)
068.76 Harvard (3 Athletes Ranked 7th/8th)
037.00 Brown (10 Athletes Ranked 7th/8th)
033.33 Dartmouth (3 Athletes Ranked 7th/8th)
031.50 Yale (0 Athletes Ranked 7th/8th)
Notes:
Penn's rise to third.
Cornell vs Princeton gap is much closer than the 2014 track season.
I'll wait until after Husky weekend to eliminate impossible doubles.
1 | 0060 | 6.75 | HAR | 10 | FR | Johnson, Malcolm
2 | 0060 | 6.84 | PRI | 8.0 | JR | Nelson, Lavondre
3 | 0060 | 6.85 | PRI | 5.0 | FR | Akosa, Carrington
3 | 0060 | 6.85 | PRI | 5.0 | JR | Hill, John
5 | 0060 | 6.92 | COR | 1.0 | JR | Hynes, Ryan
5 | 0060 | 6.92 | DAR | 1.0 | SR | Buskey, Brett
5 | 0060 | 6.92 | HAR | 1.0 | SO | Uwaifo, Efe
8 | 0060 | 6.93 | COR | 0.0 | FR | Paulino, Brailin
1 | 0200 | 21.22 | COR | 10 | JR | Gibson, Larry
2 | 0200 | 21.54 | BRO | 8.0 | JR | Kelly, Ryan
3 | 0200 | 21.55 | DAR | 6.0 | JR | Abraham, John
4 | 0200 | 21.62 | HAR | 4.0 | FR | Johnson, Malcolm
5 | 0200 | 21.72 | PRI | 1.5 | FR | Akosa, Carrington
5 | 0200 | 21.72 | YAL | 1.5 | SO | Alexandre, Marc-Andre
7 | 0200 | 21.74 | HAR | 0.0 | FR | Hurst, Matthew
8 | 0200 | 21.77 | PRI | 0.0 | SO | Albertson, Brent
1 | 0400 | 47.45 | YAL | 10 | SO | Alexandre, Marc-Andre
2 | 0400 | 47.88 | COL | 8.0 | SR | Boyd, Kevin
3 | 0400 | 47.89 | COR | 6.0 | JR | Gibson, Larry
4 | 0400 | 48.25 | PEN | 4.0 | FR | Wiseman, Jeff
5 | 0400 | 48.42 | COR | 2.0 | SR | Olloqui, Cisco
6 | 0400 | 48.47 | COR | 1.0 | SO | Attah, Tobenna
7 | 0400 | 48.49 | BRO | 0.0 | JR | Kelly, Ryan
8 | 0400 | 48.53 | HAR | 0.0 | SO | Heckendorn, James
1 | 0500 | 1:02.97 | PEN | 10 | JR | Magaha, Drew
2 | 0500 | 1:03.21 | PEN | 8.0 | FR | Wiseman, Jeff
3 | 0500 | 1:03.23 | COR | 6.0 | JR | Hairston, Max
4 | 0500 | 1:03.57 | COR | 4.0 | SR | Olloqui, Cisco
5 | 0500 | 1:03.71 | PEN | 2.0 | SR | Timmins, Tom
6 | 0500 | 1:03.73 | COL | 1.0 | SR | Claflin, Connor
7 | 0500 | 1:03.94 | DAR | 0.0 | SO | Gomez, Phil
8 | 0500 | 1:04.27 | COL | 0.0 | SO | Busby, Ronald
8 | 0500 | 1:04.27 | PRI | 0.0 | SO | Mennin, Ray
1 | 0800 | 1:47.99 | BRO | 10 | SR | Tufnell, Henry
2 | 0800 | 1:48.64 | COL | 8.0 | SR | Fish, Brendon
3 | 0800 | 1:48.68 | COL | 6.0 | SR | Claflin, Connor
4 | 0800 | 1:49.20 | PRI | 4.0 | SR | Paternostro, Bradley
5 | 0800 | 1:49.47 | PEN | 2.0 | JR | Magaha, Drew
6 | 0800 | 1:49.62 | PEN | 1.0 | SR | Bekelja, Mato
7 | 0800 | 1:50.04 | BRO | 0.0 | JR | Willig, Ned
8 | 0800 | 1:50.16 | COL | 0.0 | SO | Napolitano, Rob
1 | 1000 | 2:20.83 | COL | 10 | SR | Fish, Brendon
2 | 1000 | 2:21.04 | COL | 8.0 | FR | Haik, Spencer
3 | 1000 | 2:21.60 | BRO | 6.0 | JR | Willig, Ned
4 | 1000 | 2:22.80 | COL | 4.0 | SO | Napolitano, Rob
5 | 1000 | 2:23.78 | PRI | 2.0 | JR | Brahm, Luke
6 | 1000 | 2:23.91 | PRI | 1.0 | SR | Paternostro, Bradley
7 | 1000 | 2:24.40 | PRI | 0.0 | SO | Paulson, William
8 | 1000 | 2:24.51 | BRO | 0.0 | SR | Tufnell, Henry
1 | 1609 | 3:58.34 | PEN | 10 | JR | Awad, Thomas
2 | 1609 | 4:00.42 | COL | 8.0 | SR | Everett, Daniel
3 | 1609 | 4:01.64 | DAR | 6.0 | JR | Gorman, Tim
4 | 1609 | 4:01.86 | PRI | 4.0 | SO | Paulson, William
5 | 1609 | 4:02.18 | YAL | 2.0 | SO | Randon, James
6 | 1609 | 4:02.75 | HAR | 1.0 | JR | Purnell, Tom
7 | 1609 | 4:03.09 | COL | 0.0 | SR | Fish, Brendon
8 | 1609 | 4:03.35 | BRO | 0.0 | JR | Willig, Ned
1 | 3000 | 8:01.01 | COL | 10 | SR | Everett, Daniel
2 | 3000 | 8:01.27 | DAR | 8.0 | JR | King, Curtis
3 | 3000 | 8:01.46 | DAR | 6.0 | JR | Chapin, Joey
4 | 3000 | 8:02.24 | YAL | 4.0 | JR | Dooney, Kevin
5 | 3000 | 8:03.39 | HAR | 2.0 | JR | Purnell, Tom
6 | 3000 | 8:04.34 | PEN | 1.0 | JR | Awad, Thomas
7 | 3000 | 8:04.37 | BRO | 0.0 | SR | Mann, Jordan
8 | 3000 | 8:04.57 | COL | 0.0 | JR | Rutherford, Tait
1 | 5000 | 13:48.90 | PEN | 10 | JR | Awad, Thomas
2 | 5000 | 13:50.17 | YAL | 8.0 | JR | Dooney, Kevin
3 | 5000 | 13:57.72 | COL | 6.0 | SR | Everett, Daniel
4 | 5000 | 13:59.42 | HAR | 4.0 | JR | Purnell, Tom
5 | 5000 | 14:08.47 | DAR | 2.0 | JR | King, Curtis
6 | 5000 | 14:13.64 | COR | 1.0 | JR | Eimstad, Brian
7 | 5000 | 14:14.55 | PRI | 0.0 | SR | Pons, Sam
8 | 5000 | 14:16.25 | PRI | 0.0 | SR | Owens, Eddie
1 | 60H | 7.88 | COR | 10 | JR | Hairston, Max
2 | 60H | 7.91 | PRI | 8.0 | SR | Mohr, Robert
3 | 60H | 8.00 | HAR | 6.0 | SR | Harris, Jarvis
4 | 60H | 8.10 | PRI | 4.0 | JR | Caldwell, Gregory
5 | 60H | 8.12 | COR | 1.5 | SO | Curtis, Wynndham
5 | 60H | 8.12 | PEN | 1.5 | JR | Bowers, Ben
7 | 60H | 8.16 | BRO | 0.0 | SR | Rhodes, Peter
8 | 60H | 8.21 | DAR | 0.0 | SO | Frye, Alex
8 | 60H | 8.21 | HAR | 0.0 | FR | Hebert, Jay
1 | HEP | 5303 | BRO | 10 | SR | Rhodes, Peter
2 | HEP | 5291 | PRI | 8.0 | SR | Soerens, Stephen
3 | HEP | 5179 | COR | 6.0 | SO | Jamerson, Austin
4 | HEP | 5030 | PRI | 4.0 | JR | Oslin, Brian
5 | HEP | 5000 | PEN | 2.0 | JR | Pitt, Thomas
6 | HEP | 4896 | DAR | 1.0 | SO | Robinson, Nico
7 | HEP | 4818 | COR | 0.0 | JR | Hynes, Ryan
8 | HEP | 4763 | COR | 0.0 | SO | Karabinos, David
1 | HJ | 2.16m | COR | 10 | JR | Afadapa, Stephen
2 | HJ | 2.13m | PEN | 8.0 | JR | Pitt, Thomas
3 | HJ | 2.09m | COR | 6.0 | FR | Lazarou, Myles
4 | HJ | 2.08m | COR | 2.3 | SO | Mankovecky, Jozef
4 | HJ | 2.08m | DAR | 2.3 | SR | Birck, Jeremy
4 | HJ | 2.08m | PEN | 2.3 | FR | Monroe, Michael
7 | HJ | 2.05m | COR | 0.0 | SO | Jamerson, Austin
7 | HJ | 2.05m | PEN | 0.0 | FR | Kirk, Ian
1 | LJ | 7.73m | HAR | 10 | SO | Safo, Elliot
2 | LJ | 7.42m | PEN | 8.0 | JR | Pitt, Thomas
3 | LJ | 7.33m | PRI | 6.0 | SR | Soerens, Stephen
4 | LJ | 7.23m | PRI | 4.0 | JR | Scinto, Jake
5 | LJ | 7.19m | COR | 2.0 | SO | Jamerson, Austin
6 | LJ | 7.14m | PRI | 1.0 | SO | Leeper, Greg
7 | LJ | 7.13m | BRO | 0.0 | SO | Jones, Nkosi
7 | LJ | 7.13m | BRO | 0.0 | JR | Idah, Okuoma
1 | PV | 5.40m | PRI | 10 | SR | Bragg, Adam
2 | PV | 5.26m | COR | 8.0 | SO | Sisserson, Grant
3 | PV | 5.00m | YAL | 6.0 | JR | Sullivan, Brendan
4 | PV | 4.95m | COR | 1.8 | SR | Rayburn, Keith
4 | PV | 4.95m | COR | 1.8 | SR | Pawlak, Steven
4 | PV | 4.95m | HAR | 1.8 | SO | Roney, Andrew
4 | PV | 4.95m | PRI | 1.8 | SO | Gaylord, Ben
8 | PV | 4.80m | DAR | 0.0 | SO | Cosculluela, Max
8 | PV | 4.80m | PRI | 0.0 | FR | Kiles, August
1 | SP | 20.79m | COR | 10 | SR | Mozia, Stephen
2 | SP | 18.07m | HAR | 8.0 | SR | Glauser, Ben
3 | SP | 18.00m | PRI | 6.0 | SO | Cook, Chris
4 | SP | 17.76m | HAR | 4.0 | SR | Liokumovich, Igor
5 | SP | 17.69m | PRI | 2.0 | SR | Rushton, Scott
6 | SP | 17.17m | BRO | 1.0 | SR | Clavette, Courtland
7 | SP | 17.14m | PRI | 0.0 | FR | Charles, Mitchel
8 | SP | 17.04m | PRI | 0.0 | SO | Bell, Jared
1 | TJ | 15.57m | HAR | 10 | SO | Uwaifo, Efe
2 | TJ | 15.50m | PRI | 8.0 | SR | Owusu-Nyanteky, Nana
3 | TJ | 15.18m | PRI | 6.0 | FR | Russell, Lane
4 | TJ | 15.10m | COR | 4.0 | SO | Plummer, Robert
5 | TJ | 15.07m | BRO | 2.0 | SO | Alarcon, Taylor
6 | TJ | 14.80m | HAR | 1.0 | SR | Harris, Jarvis
7 | TJ | 14.79m | COL | 0.0 | JR | Griffin, Chancelor
8 | TJ | 14.77m | PRI | 0.0 | JR | Scinto, Jake
1 | WT | 20.56m | COR | 10 | JR | Rhodes, Bryan
2 | WT | 19.91m | COR | 8.0 | SO | Winkler, Rudy
3 | WT | 19.63m | COR | 6.0 | SR | Mozia, Stephen
4 | WT | 19.62m | HAR | 4.0 | SR | Glauser, Ben
5 | WT | 18.84m | HAR | 2.0 | SO | Whitener, Josh
6 | WT | 18.10m | DAR | 1.0 | SR | Servino, Thomas
7 | WT | 18.01m | BRO | 0.0 | JR | O'Hara, Matthew
8 | WT | 17.87m | BRO | 0.0 | JR | Truong, Phuong
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