Sioux tribe declares Keystone pipeline passing an "Act of War."

I agree. If someone did that on our lands we would be calling it an act of war

Maybe that's the way they really feel, or maybe they're just starting the negotiation process. They want to make sure they get due compensation here so they begin negotiation process with a statement of what a great grievance this is. Probably a little of both, but figure that negotiation will win out over grievance.

exthrower wrote:

Nonsense...How many millions/billions of American taxpayers dollars do they get every year for everything from education to food stamps to free medical to housing....Weather they like it or not they are part of the US and they should be willing to do this tiny thing to benefit our country. If they are truly sovereign let them exist on their own without American welfare....

They don't get much of anything, and have been decimated by alcoholism and drug abuse, perhaps because of centuries of oppression, lack of education, and racism, by the U.S. government.

The Keystone Pipeline isn't going to benefit our country; please look past any bias for a brief second. It's going to spill, a lot. The thousands of jobs referred to are overcounted, and are only temporary construction jobs. The total number of jobs created is about 50. Please look it up, rather than taking or discounting my word.

Indian reservations are not part of the U.S. exactly, as far as I know.

I'm not going to be too much of a grammar freak and correct your spelling and grammar.

In 1991 during the filming for 'Point Break' Keanu Reeves (whose role involved playing rookie FBI agent 'Johnny Utah') was surfing with co-stars when a small child was dragged under the waves and began to struggle to stay above surface. As his co-stars rushed to help, Reeves held out an arm infront of them, stopping them and was reported saying by Lori Petty (who played the character Tyler Endicott in the film) "The waves have claimed her, let her fight for her own life". The crew, dumbfounded, proceeded to watch her struggle until her body disappeared beneath the waves, lifeless. He was later spotted outside the child's house, making drowning gestures and thanking the family for their child's sacrifice to the great ocean.

Do your research. And research from actuslly reputed sources, not right wing or left wing news sites. I could defend my statement, but you wouldn't listen to me anyway, so what's the point?

Instead of nitpicking the tiniest part of my last post, care to refute any of it? I didn't vote for anyone last general election.

If the pipeline carried actual Keystone (or Keystone Light) I bet they'd change their tune.

F Indians wrote:

If building that pipeline is an act of war against the primitive, subhuman way of life they cling to, let's drop a nuclear bomb in their heads and build two pipelines.

Lol. Right.

exthrower wrote:

Nonsense...How many millions/billions of American taxpayers dollars do they get every year for everything from education to food stamps to free medical to housing....Weather they like it or not they are part of the US and they should be willing to do this tiny thing to benefit our country. If they are truly sovereign let them exist on their own without American welfare....

I'm hoping you're a troll.

They rely on such things because immigrants came to their country with better weapons and committed genocide against them, then gave them some of the least fertile lands in the nation as some sort of appeasement.

The biggest issue I see is that this is another environmental atrocity. And for those of you who love to come on here and say F the environment, humans are best, I will give you an anthropocentric reason why this is important.

Humans live downstream of areas there will be spills. Their water will be contaminated. These are often Republican voting, good Americans whose impression of American politics comes from oil-funded campaign smearing.

Humans fish. Fish with crude oil in them are now carcinogenic.

Humans rely on watering crops, which will be contaminated with cancer-causing water.

Humans rely on insects to pollinate their crops, which are already becoming modified to kill these insects. These insects will struggle even more to survive in the wild if wild plants are destroyed in the building of the pipeline and its aftermath.

In short, every time you mess with the environment, you are hammering the nail into the coffin just a slight bit more for human existence, price of food etc.

Not to mention the actual drilling in Canada, whose ecosystem actually extends into our own regardless of a line drawn on a parallel in our minds.

Let's pretend Iran had a more sophisticated military and agricultural system and invaded the US.

They bring with them Ebola, to which they are immune.

Millions of Americans are shot on site because they are infidels, and thought of as subhuman because their military and agricultural system are so substandard to that of Iran's. Millions more die of ebola. The Iranians justify the deaths of the disease as Allah's will, and a more secular part of them says it is really just Darwin's survival of the fittest. Ebola has weeded out the weaker race. And who cares, they are subhuman anyway.

Now there are survivors, Americans who put down their guns and formed an immunity to ebola. These people are given high desert lands, and some rocky lands with a bunch of pine trees which don't grow food all that well. They are told they can have this land and it is theirs to steward.

Now some high functioning sociopaths of Iranian descent have taken power of what used to be the US and bought out the politicians by paying for their electoral campaigns. They decide they want to build a pipeline through the last lands of the Americans. The pipeline will leak. The lands are the last bit of anything the Americans have left. The Americans don't want the pipeline. You're one of the last Americans.

The_One_the_real_one_1 wrote:

In 1991 during the filming for 'Point Break' Keanu Reeves (whose role involved playing rookie FBI agent 'Johnny Utah') was surfing with co-stars when a small child was dragged under the waves and began to struggle to stay above surface. As his co-stars rushed to help, Reeves held out an arm infront of them, stopping them and was reported saying by Lori Petty (who played the character Tyler Endicott in the film) "The waves have claimed her, let her fight for her own life". The crew, dumbfounded, proceeded to watch her struggle until her body disappeared beneath the waves, lifeless. He was later spotted outside the child's house, making drowning gestures and thanking the family for their child's sacrifice to the great ocean.

POY

Give them the option:

1) No Keystone pipeline

or

2) Washington R*dskins change their racist name.

Which would the Sioux choose?

Lucky for us Americans we are smart enough to be more developed than both Iran and the Indians. Survival of the fittest, it has driven our earth forever and it will continue to do so.

This is the most intelligent LR post I have read. The part about "high functioning sociopaths" is a perfect characterization of the Money Power.

exthrower wrote:

We already have thousands of identical pipelines crisscrossing the country, where is the havoc that you talk about? You people are looney-tunes...

Stop lying or do research:

Source:

doo doo wrote:

dial it up wrote:

Lucky for us Americans we are smart enough to be more developed than both Iran and the Indians. Survival of the fittest, it has driven our earth forever and it will continue to do so.

I am a stronger man than you. I walk into your house, beat the shit out of you, leave you gasping for air on the floor and rape your wife.

Good thing we value people like me, right?

Someone didn't pay attention in evolution class.

Except that Indians weren't shot on site because they were infidels. Whatever your views of wars of conquest, it was really more about grabbing land (which the Native Americans had already been doing to one another for centuries of out memory--just with less effective weaponry).

Except that the pipeline will leak? Well, yes, it probably will to a small degree, but I have news for you about how much environmental devastation the Native Americans have wreaked on their own lands--I'll grant the point about the marginal lands they were handed, though...

Except that Montana, North and South Dakota aren't the last lands of the Americans (the ones who crossed the Bering Strait land bridge, not the ones who crossed the Atlantic Ocean). Oh, and by the way, there are some white folks not very happy about the proposed pipeline crossing their lands, too. Eminent domain is always a difficult issue, but the Native Americans have not been especially singled out here. Are they impacted? Yes. Will they be compensated? Yes. See my post above and understand they're already leveraging white guilt to make sure they get a very nice compensation. And I scarcely blame them for that--I guess it's one way of getting back at the white man.

Except that nobody buys this kind of argument and its stretched analogies unless it serves their own immediate political purposes. There are some useful points of thought here but to call it the most intelligent LR post you've read suggests you've read less than 10 or you don't read with a very critical eye.

anapaix wrote:

Someone didn't pay attention in evolution class.

My fitter genes go on. I am strong man. Incapable of empathy yet smasher of skull. Raper of woman. Impregnator of weak man wife.

Your turn.