What if the U.S. government released/revealed everything it knows. Could you handle it?

In my experience nothing! I recently found out who killed Kennedy (Jackie did it!) and explained it on this and other websites and what happened? NOTHING! Nobody cared. (Except a Kennedy assassination website that banned me. They COULD NOT HANDLE the truth!). The sad fact is most people don't want to know secrets maybe because they would have nothing left to do if they weren't wasting time on the internet !

I have already figured out most of it just through deductive reasoning.

Area 51 is easy for example. It's an airfield, very near Edwards AFB, and was known to be a test facility for spy aircraft during the Cold War at a time when spy satellites weren't around yet. So what is it, now that they have spy satellites and don't need spy planes? Nothing. It's just a decoy. They make a big deal about acting like there's some big secret there so that people will waste their time and not look for the real secrets elsewhere.

Kennedy was not likely killed by Jackie. Though she may have wanted him dead, other more powerful people wanted him dead because he nearly started a nuclear war. He's revered as a hero officially for the Cuban missile crisis, but his actions were actually very reckless and achieved a worse result than if he'd quietly negotiated right from the start. And of course the Soviets soon had ICBM's rendering the whole issue moot anyhow. There was a madman at the helm and he had to go.

33duster wrote:

What if they released EVERYTHING...military secrets, Area 51 truth, torture techniques, surveillance, lies, cheating, stealing? EVERYTHING. What would happen?

I've always wondered how much presidential candidates know while running and how much they learn when they take office.

Watch the Zapruder film on YouTube and you will see Jackie kills JFK the same way a Black Widow spider kills its mate after sex. The first "shot" was her jabbing him with poison. No shot was fired and no one reacts. Then she CALMLY pulls his arm down and puts a gun under his jaw and BLOWS THE SIDE OF HIS HEAD OFF! To me it is OBVIOUS! She climbs on the trunk to get the empty shell! Check it out. Most people react the same as you do but I think it is plain as day!

Even if Jackie did it, her motive was still that he had almost started a nuclear war. She wouldn't blow his head off in public over Marilyn Monroe.

Yes, because nothing would surprise me. People in the US government would kill your children if they had something to gain from it.

I'm sure they still use Groom Lake for classified aircraft development testing.

Even if everybody knows what it is, it's still the perfect place to keep stuff you don't want anybody getting a good look at, just due to its geographic setting. No good sight lines closer than ~25 miles, which is far enough that you can't really see shit, especially at night.

And as you said it'll always be conveniently close to Edwards and the greater LA area where all the secret airplanes come from.

And you're also wrong about there being no more secret aircraft being developed. There are still such programs, the next gen bomber for example, and stealthy UAVs which are the modern day spy planes.

Satellites in fixed (and predictable) orbits aren't nearly as useful as a plane/UAV that you can fly anywhere any time. An aircraft also brings its sensors a lot closer to the action, and those sensors can easily be swapped out with different or newer sensors at any time for no cost, whereas the satellite is stuck with whatever you launched on day 0. And finally, satellites are very expensive, slow to replace, unstealthy, sitting ducks. If Chinese or Russian ASAT missiles start flying, a bunch of stealthy spy planes/UAVs would be invaluable.

Super Jay Five wrote:

In my experience nothing! I recently found out who killed Kennedy (Jackie did it!) and explained it on this and other websites and what happened? NOTHING! Nobody cared. (Except a Kennedy assassination website that banned me. They COULD NOT HANDLE the truth!). The sad fact is most people don't want to know secrets maybe because they would have nothing left to do if they weren't wasting time on the internet !

When I saw this topic, my first thought was the hidden information concerning Kennedy's assassination. It is pure BS that everything is sealed for something like 100 years, so basically everyone alive at the time would be dead and not be able to question anything.

Would you please provide a few websites with information on Jackie's hand in JFK's assassination. Thanks.

You miss the point entirely. In the 50's, spy aircraft were all we had. All the Soviets had. They were everything. It was a life or death issue, national security priority number 1. Now they are secondary.

You can't fly aircraft just anywhere, not since the Russians improved their SAM's to shoot down Powers's U2. So they're not going to take over if the satellites are shot down. They are not cheap - an SR-71 cost an inflation-adjusted $250 million. In places where they can operate, the benefit of using them is usually far outweighed by the cost. Knowing what the Russians were doing in the 50's was vital. Knowing what a few ragtag 3rd-world guerrillas are doing can wait. Spy planes are not a popular budget item on capitol hill.

By the 1970's, camera technology had also improved dramatically, to the point that the US and USSR designed competing manned spy stations. The Russians actually built theirs, called Almaz, while the US wisely went directly to satellites. The upshot of the new technology was to seriously compromise the secrecy of places like Groom Lake. It doesn't matter if nobody can fly over it, they can still see it, in ever-increasing duration and resolution.

As you state yourself, the development of newer UAV's, and indeed of most secret aircraft, is not done at Groom Lake anyhow but at the Skunk Works. Where's the draconian secrecy about the existence and purpose of that place? Or Vandenburg with its classified space launches? An able spy would go right to the source and learn much more valuable information more easily than by trying to view the testing base in person.

And you shouldn't find it strange for the US government to use a decoy when they are already known to have done just that with the UFO hysteria to cover testing of the SR-71. Which illustrates the essential futility of the secrecy even when it mattered. Sure, some people thought they were seeing flying saucers. But did the Russians buy that? Not a chance. All they had to do to see the plane being tested was go where the UFO sightings were and have a look. What's the point of hiding the plane on the ground when everyone can see it doing its thing in the air???

No, Groom Lake's original purpose is obsolete, at least as a top-secret endeavor. It is still secret only because its secretness is a distraction from other secrets.

I'd have to handle it. But, I know I would feel disgusted, shocked and betrayed.

I can't think of any examples that I couldn't handle.

Tell us some things that would be too troublesome.

So?

Super Jay Five wrote:

Watch the Zapruder film on YouTube and you will see Jackie kills JFK the same way a Black Widow spider kills its mate after sex. The first "shot" was her jabbing him with poison. No shot was fired and no one reacts. Then she CALMLY pulls his arm down and puts a gun under his jaw and BLOWS THE SIDE OF HIS HEAD OFF! To me it is OBVIOUS! She climbs on the trunk to get the empty shell! Check it out. Most people react the same as you do but I think it is plain as day!

Holy shit, you're right! What a perfect cover for killing your spouse - just do it in front of millions of witnesses. Nobody will suspect - just too audacious!

The conspiracy theory nuts like to think that the secrets would include crazy revelations about how George W Bush went back in time and killed JFK, and George Lucas filmed the moon landing, Dick Cheney personally flew both airplanes into the twin towers and then jumped out using a secret invisible parachute.

In reality, I doubt any of the secrets would be that shocking. The government isn't trying to keep the big picture secret, it cares about the details. I am sure they are working on advanced aircraft and weapons, the devil is in the details. I am sure there are some underhanded happenings that have occurred that they have covered up, but it's not going to be some crazy scheme of how the CIA has been running China from the inside or some such nonsense that the crazies love to think.

The biggest leak/revelation of this decade was that the NSA was "spying" on people. Wow! Imagine that, the high tech intelligence portion of the government is occasionally listening to phone calls. The fact that people were surprised/shocked by this is the most amazing part.

Not A Big Thinker wrote:

The conspiracy theory nuts like to think that the secrets would include crazy revelations about how George W Bush went back in time and killed JFK, and George Lucas filmed the moon landing, Dick Cheney personally flew both airplanes into the twin towers and then jumped out using a secret invisible parachute...

Wait, you mean he didn't use a secret invisible parachute? What the heck do they even have those things for then?