sprinting: sprint in the morning followed by heavy weights in the same day to allow more rest days?

it is fairly common for sprinters to do either a max velocity session on Monday followed by a strength training session emphasizing lifting that is compatible with sprinting and an acceleration sprint session followed by compatible lifting on a Thursday or switch and do acceleration with explosive lifting on Monday and max velocity and strength on Thursday

Read a book, improve your mind.

Also, if option A is better why do elite athletes not do heavy lifting straight after sprinting to allow even more recovery time between sessions, rather than spreading weights and sprints out over the day (i.e do one big combined session in the evening rather than a morning and evening session)

I'm not endorsing your particular training scheme, but all you're doing with the second option is distributing the same amount of work over a longer period of time, thus allowing for more recovery, which I think is a good idea. But the question itself implies a false alternative; you don't have to follow an arbitrary pattern that repeats itself every week. Instead, why not do this:

day 1: sprint

day 2: lift

day 3: rest

day 4: rest

day 5: sprint

day 6: lift

day 7: repeat sequence

whoops I wrote that wrong. I meant this:

day 1: sprint

day 2: lift

day 3: rest

day 4: rest

day 5: repeat

Asdfghjkl wrote:

I'm not endorsing your particular training scheme, but all you're doing with the second option is distributing the same amount of work over a longer period of time, thus allowing for more recovery, which I think is a good idea. But the question itself implies a false alternative; you don't have to follow an arbitrary pattern that repeats itself every week. Instead, why not do this:

day 1: sprint

day 2: lift

day 3: rest

day 4: rest

day 5: sprint

day 6: lift

day 7: repeat sequence

That would be more ideal, but normally work and facility availability makes it difficult for a more flexible program

charlie00 wrote:

Also, if option A is better why do elite athletes not do heavy lifting straight after sprinting to allow even more recovery time between sessions, rather than spreading weights and sprints out over the day (i.e do one big combined session in the evening rather than a morning and evening session)

-you're generalizing falsely about how elite athletes train

-how elites train is not necessarily correct. ideally one should never attempt both on the same day, as either on its own should take enough out of you that you can't handle any more that day.

It depends on the sprint workout. For example, a maxv or accel session is compatible with lifting in the same day, and is frequently paired with lifting the same day. However, a speed endurance day is definitely not compatible with heavy lifting the same day.

Asdfghjkl wrote:

charlie00 wrote:

Also, if option A is better why do elite athletes not do heavy lifting straight after sprinting to allow even more recovery time between sessions, rather than spreading weights and sprints out over the day (i.e do one big combined session in the evening rather than a morning and evening session)

-you're generalizing falsely about how elite athletes train

-how elites train is not necessarily correct. ideally one should never attempt both on the same day, as either on its own should take enough out of you that you can't handle any more that day.

I understand what you're saying, but a session of 2 x 20m, 2x 30m ,2 x 40m ,2 x 50m would never be so taxing I couldn't do some lifts after.... I'm just worried about structuring my program incorrectly with the time available to me.

many sprinters will do their track work and follow it up with a hard strength session. And always work, school, and facility availability or always factors. You can make it work, don't worry about which would be best. Clyde Hart was asked at a track clinic in Atlantic City whether his Baylor athletes lifts after they train or before. His answer was that they lift when he has access to the weight training facility.

..... Ideally in one cycle of training I want to fit in:

track session x 3

circuit session x 1

Powerlifting x 1

Olympic lifting x 1

Plyometrics x 1 (or maybe i could do small amounts in each track session rather than one session dedicated to plyo?)

The weights are what I am struggling to structure in to the program.

coach wrote:

many sprinters will do their track work and follow it up with a hard strength session. And always work, school, and facility availability or always factors. You can make it work, don't worry about which would be best. Clyde Hart was asked at a track clinic in Atlantic City whether his Baylor athletes lifts after they train or before. His answer was that they lift when he has access to the weight training facility.

Well there is a difference between 400 and 100. Lifting is much more crucial to 100m performance, start/drive/max v, than 400, even though its still crucial to 400.