Why can't Mary Cain's Prize Money be placed with a Frozen account until she leaves the NCAA?

Thanks for bringing another level of stupidity to this board.

NCAA? Let her leave high school first. Also, those amounts are chump change compared to a lucrative contract.

lol NCAA.

In fairness to the OP I find the stupid people are those who think they understand the NCAA. The fact is, there isn't anything to understand. Its a bunch of completely arbitrary rules they pull out of their a$$ to help prop up a multi billion dollar industry. Johnny Manziel formed a corporation and laid claim to future cash flows from a nickname created by fans and the media. That is perfectly legal. Tyrell Pryor sold memorablia that belonged to him. That was illegal. It makes no sense. The OP's question was a damn good one considering it involves an organization that is inherently bankrupt, broken and insane.

bend over wrote:

Thanks for bringing another level of stupidity to this board.

Alberto should have said "Enjoy your high school experience, hope to see you at Oregon in a couple of years."

bend over wrote:

Thanks for bringing another level of stupidity to this board.

I was thinking the same thing.

Does anybody know for a fact that you cannot put the money in a frozen account?

Or, just asked for the check to be dated 2018 or whatever it would be?

When NCAA athletes win prize money their team, at least, should be able to take the money. Or, it should be used to pay their tuition.

Accepting the prize money and not spending/giving it away it is still accepting the prize money. A family member cannot accept it, as they did not win the race. She can donate the money to a charity, but you cannot donate it to your own bank account.

She could deal out with her competitors, to always let them win. Then accept an early/belated birthday gift for half the difference...

Even if it is deferred, it is still compensation for services presently rendered if she has it frozen or placed in an account for future use.

The money she would have won stays with Millrose, etc. It is a reduction in their expenses.

I also think it is a dumb rule for the NCAA to have, but that is their choice.

They lose athletes and recognition to this all of the time.

The whole point, as far as I know, is they don't want some schools to have an unfair advantage over others by paying their athletes.

And they don't want schools to find a work-around to get them paid otherwise.

To some degree, this is one of the points of the Ed O'Bannon law suit. Although O'Bannon is suing first to get royalties from the NCAA for his likeness in a video game (now that he is no longer in college he should be able to receive royalties), a potential objective is to create accounts to be used after graduation.

As usual the NCAA is terrible. When they showed Mark Emmert with Obama at the basketball tournament, I vomited in my mouth a little.

What would Cain have done if she won Drake and could get $25,000? That's no chump change. Probably charity and keep NCAA eligibility intact, but still that's gotta be tempting

Because, as we pointed out on our show, the NCAA are "kinda douchebags"

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-april-11-2013/the-ncaa-s-perfectly-fair-rules

Regardless of how one feels about the myriad NCAA rules, the "Principle of Amateurism", Rule 2.9, is defined succinctly in the manual as:

"Student-athletes shall be amateurs in an intercollegiate sport, and their participation should be motivated primarily by the physical, mental, and social benefits to be derived. Student participation in intercollegiate athletes is an avocation, and student-athletes should be protected from exploitation by professional and commercial interests."

Of course there are many pages of rules that build on this principle and all kinds of interpretations of those rules, and I won't get into those here. If you're really interested read Bylaw 12 of the manual.

If Mary Cain, or any runner, is not interested in being a part of the NCAA system they are free to accept prize money. This is no different from any other sport that the NCAA has competition in, young golfers or tennis players are free to accept prize money, but of course once you do your ability to be a part of a college team, get a scholarship, etc, ends. And in many cases because you're dealing with decisions that could be made by a minor, sports have built in oversights that don't allow that minor to accept prize money.

To me, this is another of those rare cases where an athlete in a smaller sport is hurt due to the need to make an across the board rule that works for football, basketball, etc as well as track and all the other smaller sports.

Maybe she could donate the money to AJ Acosta so he can buy some shoes and go to barber.

Can a 16/17 yr. old high school basketball "phenom"

go pro and sign with the Lakers? Whatever the answer, Mary

should be held to the same standard. Take the money and go

pro or refuse it to keep her hs and college eligibility....

Quite frankly, Mary should have been running for her high

team at the Penn Relays. The rush to break high school

records has no correlation to winning/not winning Olympic

medals 6 or 10 yrs in the future. Let us develop our athletes

slowly is my advice, but then again it's a free country.

LOL, our athletes?

ryan foreman wrote:

In fairness to the OP I find the stupid people are those who think they understand the NCAA. The fact is, there isn't anything to understand. Its a bunch of completely arbitrary rules they pull out of their a$$ to help prop up a multi billion dollar industry. Johnny Manziel formed a corporation and laid claim to future cash flows from a nickname created by fans and the media. That is perfectly legal. Tyrell Pryor sold memorablia that belonged to him. That was illegal. It makes no sense. The OP's question was a damn good one considering it involves an organization that is inherently bankrupt, broken and insane.

To heck with the petty ncaa.

The best thing is for Mary Cain to go pro.

BillCarr wrote:

To some degree, this is one of the points of the Ed O'Bannon law suit. Although O'Bannon is suing first to get royalties from the NCAA for his likeness in a video game (now that he is no longer in college he should be able to receive royalties), a potential objective is to create accounts to be used after graduation.

As usual the NCAA is terrible. When they showed Mark Emmert with Obama at the basketball tournament, I vomited in my mouth a little.

See the USA Today series on Mark Emmert's corrupt/incompetent past:

And there are the "Miami Case" and the Shabazz Muhammad/UCLA case involving corrupt/biased actions by NCAA Enforcement Division, and the defamation suit filed agianst the NCAA by former USC Assistant Todd McNair that McNair appears to be winning:

Just like testing positive for PEDs, this is an intelligence test. If you were Mary and you could go pro with any club, coach, or agent that you wanted, or you could decide to be connected up with this group of scoundrels (NCAA), which would you chose?

She can still go to college but not run for that team like Allyson Felix, and I'm guessing she chooses that option.

&*%&*o)(6678 wrote:

Can a 16/17 yr. old high school basketball "phenom"

go pro and sign with the Lakers? Whatever the answer, Mary

should be held to the same standard. Take the money and go

pro or refuse it to keep her hs and college eligibility....

Quite frankly, Mary should have been running for her high

team at the Penn Relays. The rush to break high school

records has no correlation to winning/not winning Olympic

medals 6 or 10 yrs in the future. Let us develop our athletes

slowly is my advice, but then again it's a free country.

First, she can go pro now whereas Lebron could not have unless he went to Europe. So she has more freedom in that regard than a basketball player.

Remember the NCAA does not set the eligibility rules for the NFL or NBA.

As for the rules about prize money, I think she could accept some that would defer the cost of attending the event at least that is the rule in tennis. So if she flew there, stayed in a hotel, ate meals, etc she could take enough to cover that.

Of course, you need to keep receipts.

I have no idea what the HS rules are---does she even compete for her HS?