Pages: | 1 | 2 | 3 |
rupp-certified saladbar
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 8:13AM - in reply to lol lol lol lol Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

lol lol lol lol wrote:

There are fewer drug-addled cartoon characters in the 1500 right now than in the 800. An Ovett-caliber runner can currently win championship 1500s. Not so, the 800, where you need to be a walking chemistry lab to stand a good chance of winning a medal.


Where do you come up with this stuff?

The 800 is probably the event in all of athletics where PEDs have the LEAST potential influence, for a number of obvious reasons.

Don't believe me? Go ahead and break down drug bans by event.
Original Gangsta
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 9:21AM - in reply to rupp-certified saladbar Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Maybe he looked at the current Olympic champ and thinks he can run a similar style race.
Symonsays
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 10:57AM - in reply to Backflips all day Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
800 is crowded with guys with better top end speed. He has good technique but I doubt he'll ever be fast enough to flat out beat rudisha and coe (pun intended), while in the 1500 he might just have enough to win a silver or gold and maybe a world best time at some point in a year or two.

Speed kills...
u guys are dumb
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 11:03AM - in reply to Symonsays Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Come on guys...dont you pay attention to his race style? What is crazy about how good he has been in the 800 is that he is a pacer. The 1500 slow pace and kick fits him perfect. He will be racing guys with way less speed and should mop up.
What the heck
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 11:15AM - in reply to u guys are dumb Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

u guys are dumb wrote:

Come on guys...dont you pay attention to his race style? What is crazy about how good he has been in the 800 is that he is a pacer. The 1500 slow pace and kick fits him perfect. He will be racing guys with way less speed and should mop up.


Ummmm...No.
ignorant turd
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 11:23AM - in reply to Symonsays Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Symonsays wrote:

800 is crowded with guys with better top end speed. He has good technique but I doubt he'll ever be fast enough to flat out beat rudisha and coe (pun intended), while in the 1500 he might just have enough to win a silver or gold and maybe a world best time at some point in a year or two.

Speed kills...


BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
spoofer
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 11:26AM - in reply to What the heck Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
http://www.flotrack.org/blog/46198-My-Running-Bucket-List-Nick-Symmonds


- Though I consistently log 60+ miles per week, the longest run I have ever finished is a 14 miler.

60 mpw, I'm telling ya he's in 3:33 shape right now.
ignorant turd
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 11:30AM - in reply to spoofer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"Run a sub 5 minute beer mile"
Dude's got his priorities in order. hahaha
Makes perfect sense
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 12:38PM - in reply to Backflips all day Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It's the typical experimenting with neighboring distances. He's a good 1500 runner already and he's getting older, so giving the 1500 a serious try makes sense, and with Solomon coming on, it's going to be harder to be the top 800 guy in the US. I can't see him doing better at the 800 in 2016 than 2012.

Unfortunately for Nick, the 1500 is even deeper in the US than the 800, so I think he'll get soundly beaten by Centro et al. a few times and then re-focus on the 800 as long as he can.
Stevie Miler
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 1:34PM - in reply to Backflips all day Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Nick does not strike me as a 1500 guy.
ventolin^3
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 1:54PM - in reply to rupp-certified saladbar Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:The 800 is probably the event in all of athletics where PEDs have the LEAST potential influence, for a number of obvious reasons.


i'd disagree

it's just the odd event where you need to take probably 2 drugs to get full doping effect : epo + steroids, hence double the chances of a +ve compared to taking just 1 drug

it's probably much riskier to do the doping in the 800 because of the cocktail needed compared to the 1 drug traditionally either used by sprinters or distance guys - doubling chance of a +ve

taking just epo or steroids for the 800 probably won't get the "full" doping advantage sprinters or distance guys get from their 1 drug

keeping it basic, sprinters upto 400 woud normally take steroids & 1500 & above, epo

there shoud certainly not be any reason 800 guys can't dope as well as sprinters or distance guys - it's just a riskier proposition
sohcahtoa
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 6:12PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't know why everyone is so stumped by this. Symmonds was 5th place in the race of his life in the 800m. He actually has a shot in the 1500m.
Well actually
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 6:58PM - in reply to sohcahtoa Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

sohcahtoa wrote:

I don't know why everyone is so stumped by this. Symmonds was 5th place in the race of his life in the 800m. He actually has a shot in the 1500m.


Actually, Nick Symmonds has no shot whatsoever in the 1500m. He would need to get lucky just to make the US team - forget about medaling in a WC/OG.

He had a good career. It will be obvious within a year or two that 2012 was his peak and it is all downhill from here. At any rate, no need to feel sorry for him - he competed in his best event, got the absolute most that he could out of his talent, and was #1 in the US year after year. He had a hell of a run.
backflips all day
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 7:43PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
you don't know what you're talking about. Matthew Kisorio was busted for steroids and he's a marathoner.
Twiggy
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 8:37PM - in reply to backflips all day Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Makes sense to me. Been running for 15 years. Serious fan for 12 years. Coaching a highly successfull hs program for 8 years. Hey what do I know?
Bad Wigins
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 9:20PM - in reply to Backflips all day Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He's short, and he always even-splits, he should have been running the 1500 all along.
lol lol lol lol
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/11/2013 11:56PM - in reply to ignorant turd Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ignorant turd wrote:
As opposed to that walking chemistry lab Makhloufi in the 1500?


His performance-level is not off the charts. On his 2012 form, he is beatable by clean athletes.
lol lol lol lol
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/12/2013 12:10AM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ventolin^3 wrote:
i'd disagree

it's just the odd event where you need to take probably 2 drugs to get full doping effect : epo + steroids, hence double the chances of a +ve compared to taking just 1 drug

it's probably much riskier to do the doping in the 800 because of the cocktail needed compared to the 1 drug traditionally either used by sprinters or distance guys - doubling chance of a +ve

taking just epo or steroids for the 800 probably won't get the "full" doping advantage sprinters or distance guys get from their 1 drug

keeping it basic, sprinters upto 400 woud normally take steroids & 1500 & above, epo

there shoud certainly not be any reason 800 guys can't dope as well as sprinters or distance guys - it's just a riskier proposition

Short sprinters and throwers can get by on only anabolics (steroids + HGH + insulin, IGF-1, SARMs, etc.).

Endurance athletes take anabolics + EPO/blood doping, etc. EPO does nada, nothing, Jack Shit for recovery, injury prevention, gaining or retaining LBM during hard training, etc.
ventolin^3
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/12/2013 12:39AM - in reply to backflips all day Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

backflips all day wrote:you don't know what you're talking about. Matthew Kisorio was busted for steroids and he's a marathoner.


because steroids are cheap & easy to get hold of

they likely did bugger all for him, except give him a slight sprint at the end

if had a clue, he wouda been taking epo - much more expensive for pharmaceutical grade & difficult to get hold off

get a clue :

$10s for steroids

$1000s for epo
ventolin^3
RE: Didn't Nick Symmonds just have a breakthrough year in the 800? Why would he move up to 1500? 2/12/2013 12:44AM - in reply to lol lol lol lol Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

lol lol lol lol wrote:Endurance athletes take anabolics + EPO/blood doping, etc. EPO does nada, nothing, Jack Shit for recovery, injury prevention, gaining or retaining LBM during hard training, etc.


look at what the majority of elite distance guys have got busted for in past decade - epo or steroids ??

then add in factor that it is also much harder to get a +ve for epo with a 48 hour detection window than steroids nearer 1/52

the use of steroids for distance running has minimal effects compared to epo
Pages: | 1 | 2 | 3 |