World's Fastest Rugby Player
Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/11/2012 1:22AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Carlin Isles, the former Massillon-Jackson High School and Ashland University sprinter with a PR of 10.24 in the 100m (also ran 10.13 wind aided in Texas Relays last Spring), has now been dubbed the world's fastest rugby player. Check him out, he's tearing it up for Team USA, and they say he only started playing rugby 12 weeks ago during these highlights:

Rugby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gA5bwqVN5LM

100m:
http://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?do=videos&bio_id=619069&mgroup_id=30702&video_id=62971

Track profiles:

http://www.all-athletics.com/node/87998
http://oh.milesplit.com/athletes/60527-carlin-isles
World's Fastest Rugby Player
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/11/2012 9:25AM - in reply to World's Fastest Rugby Player Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Bump.
ignorant fan
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/11/2012 11:16AM - in reply to World's Fastest Rugby Player Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I know you have to go down in the end zone to score. When he reaches the end why doesn't he slide right away?

He is quick and I hope he sticks with it. Really entertaining game.
Stephen J Bartowski
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/11/2012 11:28AM - in reply to ignorant fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The point after is kicked from a spot in line with where it is touched down. By going to the middle he is allowing the kick to be made straight on as opposed to at an angle.
Rugby Answer Man
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/11/2012 11:29AM - in reply to ignorant fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
In Rugby, a Try (touchdown) is worth 5 points and the Conversion (extra point) is worth 2 points. The angle you kick the conversion is based off where the try occurs. If its right in the middle, your conversion is in the middle and if it's in the corner you are kicking from a much tougher angle. You can bring the ball as far back as you want from where the Try, so if could be the difference between kicking a 3 yard chip shot down the middle of a 40 yard conversion from the left side.
sdfsdfsgsdf
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/11/2012 12:34PM - in reply to World's Fastest Rugby Player Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
FAST!

That is fun to watch.
cpr
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/13/2012 12:21AM - in reply to World's Fastest Rugby Player Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
bump
trollism
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/13/2012 4:51AM - in reply to cpr Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It's obviously very useful to be extremely quick - but nobody has mentioned that the USA played 6 matches in the tournament and only won once, including losing all three group matches.

I'm not too sure how quickly he's going to be 'dominating the rugby guys' to be fair.
Trollist
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/13/2012 6:06AM - in reply to trollism Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

trollism wrote:

It's obviously very useful to be extremely quick - but nobody has mentioned that the USA played 6 matches in the tournament and only won once, including losing all three group matches.

I'm not too sure how quickly he's going to be 'dominating the rugby guys' to be fair.


The US is terrible at rugby in general.
trollism
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/13/2012 6:22AM - in reply to Trollist Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Their sevens team has improved a lot in recent times though. They actually underperformed compared to normal in this event.

My point is that one guy with extreme pace is very useful in sevens, but it doesn't make that much difference when you have nothing much to back it up with. It looks incredible on the highlight reel, but given the results, most of the time he must have been pretty ineffective.
Bad Wigins
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/13/2012 7:41AM - in reply to World's Fastest Rugby Player Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Most of the time rugby players don't even run sideways, they just run forward and either pitch the ball or smack into whoever's in front of them.
Fast Rugby
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/13/2012 8:18AM - in reply to World's Fastest Rugby Player Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I played 2 years of rugby in college and being a 10.9/11.0 track guy I could sometimes run circles around whole teams. Alot of Rugby players are quite slow. Very dangerous sport though.
kpack
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/13/2012 9:29AM - in reply to Fast Rugby Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I started to post in this thread last night. The speed will help out in 7's more than 15's.

Our rugby athletes aren't as talented, but a lot of the problem is experience; players get juked in the open field on fake passes and don't think their way out of overload situations. If the US played their best jumbo athletes, the US would be unstoppable.

The rest of the world would not have an answer for someone like LT (Lawrence Taylor), but in 15's this would be less of an advantage vs football.
Ross Tucker
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/20/2012 4:59AM - in reply to trollism Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So I do a lot of work with the South African 7s team, sports science and analysis etc. We played the USA in Port Elizabeth and Dubai recently, and of course a lot of the pre-match discussion is to recognize what the opposition has to 'hurt you with'. Isles comes up a bit in those meetings, because he is clearly very dangerous, but he's not what I would call "dominant". Largely because one guy is easy to close down. All you have to do is maintain the line and close the space from outside, force him inside. And then speed is nullified, and the ability of the athlete to stop, step, change direction is far more important. So the team strategy is pretty straightforward, and we move on to the next aspects which are usually more complex. When you watch those clips, you'll see that most of his effectiveness comes from broken play - the ball is turned over and the defence is disorganized, and that's where the space is created.

But good teams are able to shut that down pretty easily. So when you watch highlights, you get a skewed view of how effective a really fast guy is. Also, they may be worth 5 or 7 points, but they can cost teams the same because often game nuance, defence etc is not at the same level. Not saying this is the case for Isles, but most teams will identify that the opposition winger is also their weakest defender. It's rare to be good in both directions.

That said, from broken play he's very dangerous. We in SA recognize how dangerous the USA can be if they find a few more guys like him. Right now, they're evolving, but the addition of 7s to the Olympic programme will stimulate the sport in the USA, and they have these great athletes. So we foresee a time when they'll be a real threat, not just because of incredibly fast runners.

So dominant, not really. Impressive for sure.
Ross Tucker
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/20/2012 5:05AM - in reply to kpack Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This i do disagree with. The physical attributes of the best Fijian, New Zealand and SA athletes is close enough to the US's best jumbo athletes that the size by itself would not be an advantage. Also remember that in rugby, they actually do care about doping and so test far more often. I dare say at least part of the physical advantage of some of those athletes would be eroded by this.

Once you negate that, then your ability to read the game and basic skills become more important in the outcome. SA have the smallest team on the circuit, and we're competitive against NZ/Fiji, who are much bigger. That's because there is more to the game that speed and strength. The USA would be better, but it wouldn't guarantee being unstoppable.
Er...
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 12/20/2012 7:48AM - in reply to Ross Tucker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Thanks, Ross. Excellent analysis. Look for the inclusion of 7s in the Olympic program to have about the same boost to US rugby as hosting the World Cup has had on US soccer.
Ruggerrunner
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 3/23/2013 9:54AM - in reply to Ross Tucker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Having just watched Day 1 and 2 of the HK Sevens I must say Ross has it spot on.
Going into the games Carlin Isles was the name on everyones lips, he's even in the tournament programme as one of the men to watch. He's known now, there was a buzz around the stadium when he got the ball, but he didn't impress. Opponents know him, and know what to do (every team has a fast guy in sevens rugby).
Teams closed him down. In 30mins of rugby he got one run.
USA's first game, against Kenya. He cost them the match and was taken off in the second half. He missed 2 tackles and both times Kenya scored. Missing a tackle in sevens is a big no-no. He scored a try, partly from speed, partly an opponent fumble, but he was aliability in defence and positionally has a lot to learn. His US teammates were clearly not impressed with his lack of physicality.
Game 2 - USA lost to France. Isles played the first half. Didn't get space to run, was closed down the moment the ball came near him. Came off in second half.
Game 3 - USA lost to New Zealand, rather predictably. Again didn't get the open space to use his speed.
The difference between him and the games other fast guys is the lack of power Isles has and the lack of rugby nous. Dan Norton, England's fast man, often has an effective game even when he can't use his pace, because he is a decent defender and has good hands. Isles hasn't yet got the all-round game.
Plus, he's small - 72kg guys don't "dominate" in rugby, evens 7s.
Old Man by the Sea
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 3/23/2013 10:27AM - in reply to Er... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
USA Rugby is very dysfunctional. The home office in Boulder is filled with incompetent morons who report to Nigel Melville who is horrible.
Lighten up Francis
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 3/23/2013 11:33AM - in reply to Old Man by the Sea Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I read that Maurice Clarett (former Ohio St star RB) is now pursuing rugby with the goal of making the 2016 Olympic 7's team. An uphill battle for sure but he does have freakish strength and speed if he can learn the game quickly.
Old Man by the Sea
RE: Carlin Isles, former Ohio HS and Ashland U sprinter now dubbed World's Faster Rugby Player. Must see video! 3/23/2013 12:00PM - in reply to Lighten up Francis Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Rugby is a tough game to learn and to expect these guys to compete on the world stage is naive. Most don't have instinct which can only be learned by playing a lot in ones early years.

If you want to watch future US players who may play for the U S team check out Cal Rugby and BYU. Both are outstanding programs.