HASAY doubles? 4:19.90 and 2:08.32

could she break 60 in the quarter? I doubt it.

I know it was windy and a double, but can someone get this gal some turnover, already? 2:08 ain't gonna cut it. She needs to be able to throw down at least a 2:02-2:03 if she expects to be a contender in championship races. I root for her, and hope she does well, but she needs to get that 800 down pronto.

Oh great, oh lordy, here come the waterworks...I will not...I promised myself I would not...cry...must not cry...WHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH sob sob sob WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

srsly wrote:

could she break 60 in the quarter? I doubt it.

I'd bet she could.

Tear drops fall to earth

Stream becomes river

The ocean is the river's goal

The vast ocean of her heart

No grandma, I'm not crying

My retinas are merely pissing

722 wrote:

srsly wrote:

could she break 60 in the quarter? I doubt it.

I'd bet she could.

Me too. The year I first broke 4:20 (with a 4:19) I was 56-57 - and like Hasay I have no speed.

Pretty strong double. I think that 2:08 is a PR for Jordan after running a 1500. Hhhmmmm.......interesting stuff. Curious what's going on here. Only Vin knows.

flatter wrote:

722 wrote:

I'd bet she could.

Me too. The year I first broke 4:20 (with a 4:19) I was 56-57 - and like Hasay I have no speed.

Are you male? Was it a 1500?

WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME SHE LOST BY SO MUCH IN BOTH RACES?? I WANT TO DIE!

She might be able to run sub-60, but not by very much. If she truly wants to remain as a 1500m runner (moving up from making the final at USOT in 2008 to becoming a medalist/making a national team in the event in 2016) she does have to get faster over 400/800m (if possible). Otherwise the distance races (5000,10000 and Marathon) will be beckoning.

To truly be a sub-4 1500m runner with any consistency, running under 2.00 for 800m is a requirement. Suzy Favor and Mary Decker could run 1.58/1.56 to run 3.57. For a distance type (which she is), 2x your 800m time = 1500m time, is a bout right. 2.08 x 2 = 4.16 (she has run 4.14?, so was likely able to run about 2.07 at her peak then).

For that matter, Sheila Reid has to do the same (even if she has a pretty good kick) in order to be a player on the world 1500m scene, and not just NCAA's. Olympic A standard is about 4.06, so 2.03 seems reasonable to run that or faster, with GOOD endurance (i.e. also being able to run about 8.45 for 3000m). Steph Twell (UK - same age as Reid) has run 58.1, 2.02+, 4.02+, 8.42, 14.54 on the track (plus road times of 53 minutes and sub-1h12 for 10miles/half Marathon). This shows her endurance capacity (and likely the volume of aerobic work, either in mileage and/or Intervals).

Fffffff wrote:

flatter wrote:

Me too. The year I first broke 4:20 (with a 4:19) I was 56-57 - and like Hasay I have no speed.

Are you male? Was it a 1500?

Yes I'm a guy and I was 17 at the time. 1500.

I have to say the way she looks right now I cannot see her as a marathoner - legs too chunky and her just style seems more 5/10k. She may run a decent time at 1500 (but will never win anything major).

flatter wrote:

Fffffff wrote:

Are you male? Was it a 1500?

Yes I'm a guy and I was 17 at the time. 1500.

Girls don't have as much sprinting capability as guys. So your experience isn't comparable to hers. She could probably run a 59-61 for 400m would be my guess.

When she was 16 or 17, I believe she closed in a 2:08 in a 1500 for either the world youth champs or world junior champs. So to run a 2:08 open is... not very good.

She closed the 2011 Indoor 3000 in 61 on anything but fresh legs. So I think she has 56-57 wheels. Could she run that right now? Not sure...she's been looking stale and overtrained to me.

She looks over trained to me too.

Does anyone else think maybe she needs to put on more weight? She started to look too leaned out to me.

She definitely races like an overtrained athlete to me.

One good sign is she just mentioned on her twitter this week, "Wow, didn't realize how tired my legs had been until I started backing off" or something like that. And Vin mentioned they lowered her mileage. Hopefully this restores the "pop".

She is definitely a workhorse and has a great work ethic, but sometimes less really is more. Recovery is key.