What should a 4:00 miler be able to run for 800m?

The number I usually hear as the answer to this question is 1:51.

1:48

the avg Moe wrote:

I'm not talking the bare-minimum 800m time a guy can run to run 4:00 in the mile, I'm talking what is the average 800m time of a 4:00 guy. I would guess it's 1:51 but I don't know.

More like 1:48.

Average 800m time of a 4:00 miler is 2:00 ;) DUHHH

Average 1:50 to 1:51.

Slowest about 1:55

malmo wrote:

Average 1:50 to 1:51.

Slowest about 1:55

Malmo, I would put the slowest at 1:53xx, but you could be right in terms of people who rarely run the 800 and thus their pb might not reflect their ability. To run a 4:00 mile with 1:55 ability would surprise me.

There are plenty of poorly trained 800m runners who can't step up when thy run the mile.

Me 1:54 4:00 and 3:40.

malmo wrote:

There are plenty of poorly trained 800m runners who can't step up when thy run the mile.

Me 1:54 4:00 and 3:40.

Oh, I know there are a lot of 800m runners who don't move up well....

However, do you think 1:54 accurately reflected your ability? Did you run that in the same year you ran 4:00 or 3:40?

Malmo, I was going to start a thread asking for your advise but I see this thread has grabbed your attention so I'll ask here.

I'm a big advocate of a yearly progression of miles but focus on the 800 and mile. I was wondering how high is too high.

I'm sitting around 100mpw right now, especially from summer until the end of winter. Will I see improvements in my 800-1500 pr's by increasing over the next 2-3 years by increasing my mileage to 140-150?

At least 2:00... ?

the avg Moe wrote:

I'm not talking the bare-minimum 800m time a guy can run to run 4:00 in the mile, I'm talking what is the average 800m time of a 4:00 guy. I would guess it's 1:51 but I don't know.

In college my best mile was 4:01.49 and my best 800m 1:52.05. I believed I was capable of running faster than 4:00 for the mile but never really had an honest go at it most of the mile races I competed in dropped into the tacticle range and would be won in 4:04-4:09. I ran 4:01 off the front actually going for it on that day.

Mrs. Obvious wrote:

At least 2:00... ?

the avg Moe wrote:

I'm not talking the bare-minimum 800m time a guy can run to run 4:00 in the mile, I'm talking what is the average 800m time of a 4:00 guy. I would guess it's 1:51 but I don't know.

malmo wrote:

There are plenty of poorly trained 800m runners who can't step up when thy run the mile.

Me 1:54 4:00 and 3:40.

oh my word malmo you were so close to breaking four do you still have dreams about it

1:59

800-1500 specialist wrote:

Malmo, I was going to start a thread asking for your advise but I see this thread has grabbed your attention so I'll ask here.

I'm a big advocate of a yearly progression of miles but focus on the 800 and mile. I was wondering how high is too high.

I'm sitting around 100mpw right now, especially from summer until the end of winter. Will I see improvements in my 800-1500 pr's by increasing over the next 2-3 years by increasing my mileage to 140-150?

Why would an 800-1500 guy want to run 140-150?

It might be OK to top out at 115-125 for three or four weeks at a time, but you should probably never go above 115.

90-115 is plenty for an 800/1500 runner.

Lewandowski run about 90 at most, hardly much need for anything more, and if, only until before February. Are you a slow runner?

2011 NCAA Indoor 1-Mile Final

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Result Mile PR 800 PR

1 Miles Batty 3:59.49 3:55.79 1:49.32

2 Chris O'Hare 3:59.62 3:56.48 1:49.98

3 Ryan Foster 4:00.17 3:58.49 1:46.7

4 Dumisane Hlaselo 4:00.97 3:56.84 1:48.31

5 Erik van Ingen 4:01.25 3:57.11 1:49.83

6 Jeff Thode 4:01.73 3:58.72 No Data

7 Michael Hammond 4:01.80 3:58.41 1:51.34

8 James Cameron 4:01.88 3:58.51 1:52.68*

9 Riley Masters 4:02.04 3:58.17 1:54.60

10 Duncan Phillips 4:06.37 3:58.82 1:48.47

some other people

- Dorian Ulrey 3:57.60 1:48.46

- German Fernanzest 3:55.02 Eternal Mystery

- Evan Jager 3:54.35 1:50.10

- Galen Rupp 3:56.22 1:49.87

Wow riley master's 800 pr is only 1:54.6? I'm sure he could do better

I think the average 4 flat miler would at least be able to mix it up with the best high school 800 specialists in any given year... So I'll say a 1:49.

Considering 1:52 is usually considered the bare minimum, I would guess 1:51 for distance oriented guys and 1:49-1:50 for more speed oriented guys.