Technical Analysis of 30km and 10000m in Eugene

I support Renato 100%.

Ventolin,iam one of those that actually appreciate your contributions on this forum.Especially the "calculator".

However i think you need to respect other people's views especially someone like Renato who is an expert and an outstanding coach.You may not like him but he is entitled to his opinion.Also,realise that alot of members on this forum pay attention to Reanato's contributions and are very grateful indeed.

Not surprised wrote:

I support Renato 100%.

Ventolin,iam one of those that actually appreciate your contributions on this forum.Especially the "calculator".

However i think you need to respect other people's views especially someone like Renato who is an expert and an outstanding coach.You may not like him but he is entitled to his opinion.Also,realise that alot of members on this forum pay attention to Reanato's contributions and are very grateful indeed.

agree: ventolin, there is no need to call people idiots or dense or stupid, especially a coach with the level of success as Renato (who has clearly earned our respect.) call him wrong if you want, but please, no personal insults.

Renato Canova wrote:

Do you think he can continue to run on the track for making you and your calculator happy, or for his future life is it better he can use his talent in more practic way?

Own3d in a Second Language.

Boom goes the dynomite!

Thanks for that response Mr. Renato Canova.

Well said Renato. This is something that few people understand about our sport, especially at a website like this which is populated by many teenagers. Even a guy like ventolin, who is a physician, and was raised in Kenya, doesn't get it. They think that everyone is getting rich from this sport, when the truth is, very few people can actually afford to do it for a living, and those that do have contracts, are heavily tilted to the incentive side of the equation.

If an American run sub 13 he's going to be set for a few years, if a Kenyan does it, he'd better get some road races in order to support his hobby, or sign on with a Japanese team, or sell his talents to Baharain ot Qatar.

Still, I'm a little bit surprised that Komen came up short in Oslo? Doesn't sound right to me. Also, those numbers in 2010 US Dollars don't even match the money we were getting at the same event in Oslo over 30 years ago, not adjusted for inflation, and the professional era hadn't yet begun.

Renato Canova wrote:Ventolin, may be you are a rich man...

thanks but no thanks

plenty rich/poor in cycles

Life, such as training, is affected by REAL problems. Your calculator, and probably yourself, are living in a fantastic world that too many times nothing has to do with the reality.

unfortunately, you are the delusionalist

i had to laugh about how you reckoned your cherono couda gone 3'30/7'23 back in '03 when he whacked hicham

i offered lines for this countlessly, but, like how you keep ignoring the kemboi line, i'll offer you cherono '03 again :

51.90 / 1'48.90 -> 3'32.86 , 4'49.10 , 7'24.84 , 12'44.90 , 26'33.55

to

51.90 / 1'48.80 -> 3'32.50 , 4'48.52 , 7'23.75 , 12'42.62 , 26'27.74

yes, your boy couda gone 7'23 that year in perfect race, but 3'30 off his 3k/5k training was :

drivel

thank you post marathon recovery advice.

I'm run biwa lake marathon.(2:26:37,first marathon)

after no running 2week and no hard session 6week.

My weight increased 5kg,,,,,

moses mosop first hard session 2-3 week after marathon?

Coach Canova, could you explain the bicycle workout that led to Abel Kirui's injury? The thought of using a bicycle to teach fast turnover is very interesting.

Malmo, the fact is that track is suffering a lot for the current economic crisis. For organising a Diamond League meeting you need to have, at least, the following budget :

a) Official prizes for 17 events (plus 2 that the organisers can chose)(30,000 USD for event plus 4,500 USD for pacers in 5 middle distance events) = USD 533,500

b) Tickets at an average of 700 USD (this is the forfeit they pay in every Diamond League) for about 220 people (including managers and coaches) = USD 154,000

c) Full accommodation for 3 days at the rate of 200 USD per day (normally in Hotel having an official rate of 400 USD per day, but of course there is some agreement) meaning 600 USD per person = USD 132,000

d) Cost of promotion during the previous period =

USD 300,000

e) Appearances for the best athletes (if you want Bolt, not less than USD 150,000) = USD 300,000

f) Budget for emergencies = USD 100,000

The total is about 1,520,000 USD, but normally without a budget bigger than 2 millions is not possible to have a meeting of top level.

Where this money can come from ? Little percentage from the spectators (may be 200,000 / 300,000 USD). The most part from Television and sponsors.

Till some year ago, Banks were the main sponsors. Now, with some exception, Banks have problems in surviving, and cut every type of assistance in athletic.

This\' what happens in Europe. The situation is different in Asia, that at the moment is the area with more interest in organising top meetings, investing more money (especially China and South Korea), but Europe remains the center of the activity.

It\'s sad to say that, from your era, the money for the athletes went down.

This is a bad new for African runners especially, because in short time 70% of the current athletes couldn\'t have any market, and many of them must forget the dream to become runners as profession.

Renato, after those 63 and 65 laps, i saw you in the infield saying something to Mosop, did you tell him to slow down? he was flying!

Can Mary Keitany run 1:38:49 for 30km? She got 1:39:11 pb in london. Renato you should arrange 30k world record for her.

Very well said.

I think the only way to keep up with other sports is modernising.

Athletics today has too many events, TV time is split between running jumping and throwing at the same time.

Spectators are given none or very little background information on the athletes. Unless you are super interested like people on this message board, you have noone to cheer for because all you are presented is a pack of runners(doesnt help either that 90% are east african).

Distance running need to split from throwing, jumping and sprints. They belong together in the olympics, but really thats all. These sport have appeal at very different markets and demographics.

Of course, he could always do both no? Run some lucrative road races to subsidize some efforts on the track.

If track and field is to survive at a high level the number of events in a T&F meeting will have to be reduced. Financially (and time wise) there is just to much to be spread around.

Road races on the other hand are growing and doing well and are lucrative.

This is why I think the Diamond League fails unless it changes. It must reduce further the number of events contested in each meeting.

T&F must come up with a formula that is marketable and enticing to the general public and thus sponsors. The current version isn't in many cases.

WHY???? what is the point of being the 6th best in the world at a certain distance, when you can CONSISTENTLY be the best on the roads? I would (almost) NEVER choose a track race for a nice time, IN PLACE OF a race that paid me $5K+but just my .02

Hodgie-san wrote:

Of course, he could always do both no? Run some lucrative road races to subsidize some efforts on the track.

[quote]anonymous mouse wrote:

WHY???? what is the point of being the 6th best in the world at a certain distance, when you can CONSISTENTLY be the best on the roads? I would (almost) NEVER choose a track race for a nice time, IN PLACE OF a race that paid me $5K+

but just my .02

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Easy, because 6th in the world is better. Do you really need $300K/year to live a good life in Kenya?

Of course, in a championship race alot can happen. You never know how you might fare unless you are in it, and not at some road race where you make money.

Hodgie-san wrote:

Easy, because 6th in the world is better.

It all comes down to this. Why do you think it's better. Who are you to judge what is better for someone else?

Some like the roads over the track. Are they inferior because of that? If you say so than please explain why.

Irish marathon man wrote:

Hodgie-san wrote:

Easy, because 6th in the world is better.

It all comes down to this. Why do you think it's better. Who are you to judge what is better for someone else?

Some like the roads over the track. Are they inferior because of that? If you say so than please explain why.

The level of competition is better.

Not judging any athlete, they are obviously free to do as they like.

Anyway, no reason you can't do some of both, best of both worlds.

depends on how many acres you want to own, and/or how many of your countrymen/women you want to employ. 300k/yr ensures that your family will be taken care of generationally (as you pass down your holdings/business(s)) and that you can become quite the philanthropist, ala Geb. sorry but I agree with Renato & Komen himself on this one, he's best to stick w/ the roads where he knows he's the best. as a previous poster said, 6th in the world is better? depends on who's viewpoint you use. 6th in the world vs. 1st in the world ont he roads- I'd take the one with the smaller number personally.

Hodgie-san wrote:

Easy, because 6th in the world is better. Do you really need $300K/year to live a good life in Kenya?