Running is a business it is not charity. Kim mcdonald, Dr Rosa and you are there to make money not as peace corps volunteers. You wait for talents to bud and you claim them, when was the last time you took a punch of average Kenyan runners mold them to be world class bitters? NEVER. The people who work with are those who could succeed anyway. Now you are bragging about it. Bragging about we did that and we did this is unkenyan and we do not like it. Kenyans and the whole world know why Kenyans are good in running. It is the sheer dedication, determination, sacrifice, talent, commitment and perseverance of the Kenyan runner. Whoever says otherwise is lying. If your training strategies are so good why not use it in your country, Italy needs help with long distance and marathons, why not help Europe before the Olympics 2012 come up with marathon winners? Why not help other countries compete at world cross country championships? I still don;t understand why you are not applying the same training ideas from Kenya in other countries? Please help me with that.
Renato, can you give us insight of Ethiopian training system?
Especially I'd like to know, what did Ethiopians overtake from Soviet countries in terms of running training in the period of 1974-1991.
Did they worked with Matveyev-style system or Issurin-style block training system? (Sorry, my English is far from perfect, but I hope you can understand.)
Renato's answered this a bajillion times. He was, he won in italy, now there aren't enough young athletes that are worth his time because of work ethics, undeveloped aerobic bases, commitment, etc.
Why do people keep writing this? Do you want Renato to leave the site and never come back? This is literally the only reason i check letsrun, and look at nate jenkins, reading these posts makes a difference. Disagreeing with renato is one thing but adding stupid or offensive words is another
No young people in Italy? No Italians that would like to win Olympic medals? MMMM, I had no idea. The guy is posting as if he rescued Kenyan running from obscurity. There have been a lot of people who have worked hard to put Kenya where it is athletically, you do not see them bragging and acting like they brought running to Kenya. I am a Kenyan, I know and understand what people go through to get to where they are, and some dude goes online and tells the whole world that he is responsible for all these results!. There are Kenyans who read this blogs and they are not going to sit back and let people misrepresent situations. We have lived this, we have seen young people come up without nothing and go on to take on the world, these coaches come in and claim we did this to so and so. Colm O'Connell is the main guy that has help a lot of young Kenyans achieve their goals, If you asked him why Kenyans are succeeding at such a higher rate , talent, hard work and dedication, you rarely hear him talking about coaches and programs and such. Kenyans have become a victims of foreigners coming in and claiming what they did not work for. We are not going to take that
You certainly have some authority to speak, but Renato has never claimed credit for Kenyan success in the sense that without him there would be no success.
Renato obviously has some genuine love and ties to Kenya and would not appear to be doing it for money. He is always quick to credit other coaches, so you are off base.
That being said, its odd that no European country (or Britain in particular) doesn't hire him for a 5 year cycle.
If I won a lottery I might offer him a chance to come to Canada for 5 years and see what we could acomplish.
And as others have said, lets not bash a bonafide superstar coach who is willing to answer questions in specific fashion. I am certain that Bill Bellicheck and Bill Parcells are not hanging out on football chat sites!
Transmara, you claim that Kenyans have some of the best work ethic, yet question why Renato could coach there instead of elsewhere. You answered your own question. Obviously he's a smart coach and so he coaches where athletes are most likely to do what is necessary to succeed.
You also say that he should help other athletes, but you've come on this message board to be angry with him when the reason he's here is so that he can help all of us who are reading.
It sounds like you're letting your national pride get in the way of appreciating the good help offered by coaches and managers. Sure, there are some greedy coaches and managers out there, but Renato's constant involvement in teaching the sport proves how genuinely interested he is in seeing as many people as possible do well.
Back to the subject of this topic: the kenyan trials and than especially the atlete Geoffrey Mutai.
List of races Geoffrey Mutai and Wilson Kiprop ran in the period of november 2009 till now (maybe there misses one or two not important races, but I think it is quite complete):
Races nov 2009-Feb 2011:
59:30 1st Valencia 22 Nov
37:41 1st (in ALT) Nairobi 23 Jan
59:43 1st RAKRas Al Khaimah19 Feb
27:44 3th World's BestSan Juan28 Feb
2:04:55 2nd FortisRotterdam 11 Apr
67:55 (approx. 23k in ALT) 1st Sotokoto Nairobi23 may
27:27.59 (in ALT) 2nd NCNairobi 26 Jun
27:33.83 (in ALT) 3th AfrCNairobi 28 Jul
2:05:10 2nd RealBerlin 26 Sep
59:38 1st AirTelNew Delhi 21 Nov
37:05.3h 1st (in ALT) Iten 8 Jan
34:35.0h 1st (in ALT) NCNairobi 19 Feb
61:26 1st Paris 7 Mar
2:09:09 5th VolkswagenPraha 9 May
27:26.93A 1st (in ALT) NCNairobi 26 Jun
27:32.91A 1st (in ALT) AfrCNairobi 28 Jul
59:39 1st Lille 4 Sep
60:07 1st WCNanning 16 Oct.
@ Renato. How long do you think Geoffrey can continue running races like this? Obviously, this guy is extremely talented (in many ways) and as you said, he is more strong than the rest (who are in races) at the moment. But will he still run races at the same level in 2-3 years, continuing like this?
Why did I put Wilson Kiprop under it? I think he is a guy who has everything that you need to become a 2'04-marathoner in the future (and he is still 5-6 years younger that geoffrey), but with a obviously different approach in planning and running races than geoffrey at the moment.
And yes, transmara, running is a business for the management of Geoffrey, as it is for the management of Wilson. But the difference is that a management like the management of Wilson, working together with people like Renato Canova and Gabriel Nicola, really wants to INVEST in athletes like Wilson, so that they will reach their maximum possibility in future, by using a PLAN. And for a working-method like that, you need more knowledge than what the trainers in the 'AK-training-camps' pretend to have.
Transmara, I want to explain you something, and this is for the last time.
Yes, I had a contract with Qatar Federation starting from 2004, that now I resigned. I was contacted by Qatar Federation when they discovered I was the coach of Stephen Cherono, that went to Qatar few days before World Champs 2003 in Paris. I never knew anything about his negotiation.
But I started to coach, without any money, some kenyan athlete asking me technical assistance in Italy, from 1993.
I never was paid by any manager.
When I started to work with Qatar, I had the opportunity to stay long time in Kenya, and I felt the need to give back to this Country something, for the gift I had for my athletic passion : to have the possibiliry to coach the best talents in the World.
I started to run a training camp in Iten, without the help of any managementm using my money. In two years (2005 and 2006) I spent from my pocket about 60,000 USD, giving a small salary to coaches helping me. One of these coach, Peter Mathu, was responsible of Kenyan Team during Olympic Games of Beijing and World Championships of Berlin. You can ask him my behavior, and the money I receive from Kenyan athletes.
Some name among the athletes that had with me their first opportunity ? Thomas Longosiwa, Silas Kipruto, Gilbert Kipchoge, Gladys Kipkemboi, Rita Jeptoo, Bisluke Kipkorir, Willy Komen, plus a lot other athletes less important for Kenya, but able running marathon under 2:10.
I always worked for increasing the image and the importance of Iten, probably you are from Kapsabet and don't like this fact.
I never said that all the medals of Kenya are because of mine.
However, the fact that I coached athletes wnning medals for Kenya (many of them started directly with me) is something true, and remains in my mind (that's the reason because I want to give back something to your Country, without any interest in money).
I understand that your vision about mzungus is not exactly the idea of a missionary, and that you Kenyan see managers and coaches going in your Country like people abusing of you for earning money.
I can answer that not all people are the same, have the same motivation and the same interest. But also that, in the same business, there are good managers and good coaches, and bad managers and bad coaches. Exactly how there are good athletes and bad athletes, and good ersons and bad persons.
You must be proud to be Kenyan, but have to use your pride in different way. You must be proud that Kenyan have all the qualities you wrote : determination, hard work, ability in suffering, aggressivity. But you can't be proud of the fact that there are still problems between tribes, and about the fact that there is corruption in different levels of the Country.
I'm proud to be Italian, but I must accept the idea that young generation is no more interested in any activity needing fatigue, and this is the reason because we can no more work for developibg athletics in my Country, if nothing change about our current education.
I can't be proud to have a Prime minister owner of the televisions and of many newspapers, able to plagiarize the most part of Italian with continue falsehoods, and involved in many trials for corruption and private behavior : however, I continue to be proud to be Italian.
So, how I recognize the talent and the virtues of your people, but also your current gaps, and I try to help people in filling in their gaps (I learnt a lot from Kenyans abou life and training, but also I teached), you must recognize the intervention of who at the moment has more knowledge, and this in any field.
If you want to grow, you must look to people with advanced knowledge in any field : this is for doctors, for engineerings, for administrators, and this is also for coaches and managers, and is valid in athletics also.
Now, athletes are professional, and it's not possible that a coach amateur can guide a professional athlete.
We are proud of our Kenyan coaches. They are the reason why we are where we are. Coaches that mold and help develop talent are primary school coaches, high school coaches and personal coaches that help nurture talent when no else cares. KAAA has done what it needed to do to build athletics in kenya to the level that meets and exceeds international standards. Kenyans are proud of that. A lot of Kenyan runners need guidance, they have the ability to train and achieve without the presence of a coach. The reason why people join training camps is because it is easier to get races and a sponsor otherwise a lot of Kenyans will do find training on their own
|KAAA is a joke|
KAAA is a group of corrupt control freaks who are about to kick their best runner off the world cross country team for purely bureaucratic reasons.
Cross Country is about team work and team work means you stay and train with the team, I applaud KAAA for not baby sitting one individual. Mutai can quit the team if he wants to, plenty of people to take his sport
Translate has got it right. Coaches like Canova can see opportunity and take it. No one believes this crap that he's trying to give back to the Kenyons by spending his owne money.
He is an opportunist. What is sad is how some of you LetsRun crowd gravel for information from him -believing he is the reason Kenyons run fast. Wake up.
Bullshit. They all run fast to win and the team score takes care of itself. You do not need to train together to have a top cross country team.
KAAA official want to be able to say look we have the world champion and it i sall because of our 2 week team camp, when in reality it will have nothing to do with the team camp.
You should all want a Kenyan world champion and you have a shot at that if Mutai runs, but would rather blabber on about team work and all being united blah blah blah. I think all you officials have been hanging around NCAA coache sand there pack running idea to much.
Sounds more and more like Transmara may be part of the KAAA. The fact that the heads of the KAAA are part of the upper echelons of the IAAF, and invited to present medals (like at the Berlin WC where the head of KAAA presented medals to a Kenyan champion - can't remember the event) when everyone in the sport knows how corrupt and petty the KAAA is - that's reprehensible, but that's the reality of politics. The KAAA doesn't deserve the endorsement of the IAAF - quite the opposite. But nothing will ever really change. The IAAF will not take any stand against an organization like the KAAA, even if they know they are doing so many bad and wrong things. It's amazing that the athletes, and people like Mr. Canova and Brother Colm rise above the politics (and the business) of sport.
|A "Real" Coach|
Runnercoach123: Please stop using the word "coach" in your name-- you're an embarrassmant to our community.