Excercise Science Misconception About Running

Combine the Mitochondria-counters and the Minimalists and US running would be in another slump for 50 years! 20 Minutes of "midfoot" striking daily surely wouldn't lead to much. (And don't call me Shirley.)

Not LSD wrote:

I think the thing that irritates me about this mindset more than anything is the fact that some people act like the easy way is best, which unfortunately is the mindset of our culture. The fact is that if you want to lose weight you need to burn more calories than you consume if you want to run fast you have to work hard. Granted you need to be smart in your training and do easy days and increase your mileage gradually but there is no secret recipe for being good it is about hard work. People need to stop trying to take the easy way out in life and start working for what they want.

Like everyone said you're talking to an idiot. The thing I took away from reading this thread was your painting the car before dealing with the engine analogy. I like that.

I coach a lot of people around where I live. I never preach my methods or ask to coach anyone. They come to me because people get faster when I train them. I don't really talk to anyone else about training because I know they wouldn't understand and everyone likes to feel that what they are doing is the right way. With my own training there really is only one person in the world who knows what I am doing right now, my 12 year old daughter. The reason for that is several years of talking to brick walls about proper training.

I think it's funny that the guy thinks that Malmo never competed. He ran 1:01 for a Half Marathon. No tire dragging yoga interval happy 30 MPW gym rat will ever even break 1:20 for a half.

If it still bothers you tell this blockhead to post his ideas in this forum so I can get some entertainment out of this.

I'm curious why he thinks Geb should work on making himself good at another sport?

Talking about sports scientists not knowing their ass from their elbow, should we add bankers and economists to the mix? They've done a helluva good job worldwide in the last coupla years.

[quote]Aghast wrote:

I see, you cite a quack doctor instead of any real scientific evidence.A guy who is promoting a 12 minute exercise routine. That is not going to convince anybody.

Oh course I know you are just a troll.

http://www.pacerevolution.com/

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Yea Im a troll alright. full ride d1 scholarship and sub 4:10 mile makes me a troll

Coach d your post is as you know, misleading and out of context. Adding a link makes little sense given your inaccuracy.

The actual exercise guidelines range from 20-90'/day, of exercise depending on the individual circumstances and goals.

These guidelines are written for the largely inactive population, the goal being basic fitness and general disease prevention. These are not recommendations for running <13' 5000m. Just as an aside, I have lectured to medical students and doctors on ACSM guidelines.

I should also take this opportunity to mention that exercise physiology is a remarkably broad field, with relatively few interested in the elite performance of endurance events. It is also a new science, since the testing of live subjects was not actually possible until sometime near the turn of the previous century. As for anything I might post here in regards to training for running, please feel free to email me whenever you have a question.

Content of your post not your ability make you a troll.

granddaddypurp wrote:

[quote]Aghast wrote:

I see, you cite a quack doctor instead of any real scientific evidence.A guy who is promoting a 12 minute exercise routine. That is not going to convince anybody.

Oh course I know you are just a troll.

http://www.pacerevolution.com/

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Yea Im a troll alright. full ride d1 scholarship and sub 4:10 mile makes me a troll

20 min to max aerobic capacity?

NOT.

Tons of drills and weights and get faster?

NOT.

Even in the 100m, you can be musclebound from doing too many weights.

This suggestion is as ridiculous as the latest 1-minute-abs suggestion.

In case coach d doesn't know it, the 100m warmup consists of one or two things:

1) sitting in the car/van blasting tunes with the heat cranked to full, and

2) emptying a whole tube of A535 onto your legs until they BURN.

In the summer, the warmup consists of: pretending to stretch in the blocks area while checking out the ladies.

granddaddypurp wrote:

Yea Im a troll alright. full ride d1 scholarship and sub 4:10 mile makes me a troll

That seems like the prototype of an obsessive, hyper-aggressive troll to me. Maybe you should spend more time focused on other things and maybe one day you'll become a decent regional level runner instead of a wannabe.

This thread is very funny.

Who is not able to understand the difference between "efficiency" and "specific shape", and between "biomechanic" and "bioenergetic", cannot be called scientist of anything. "Specific" ignorant, only, and dangerous in his role, like everybody speaking about what doesn't know.

Man what I would do to have Renata Conova tell this guy a thing or two. That would absolutely make my day. Thank you Mr. Canova for your contributions to this board and our sport. You are the type of person that athletes whether the 20 min 5k hobby jogger who is just trying to get faster or the elite runner who is trying to become great should be listening to. Not these quack excercise guys who think they can simplify the world.

Quit calling me a 20 min./5K hobbyjogger. I now aspire to 20 minutes. But I like your point.

Not LSD wrote:

So this guy my wife knows is an ex sci major and he today posts on facebook that if people want to run faster they should only run 20 min a day and do tons of drills and weights because running fast is about stride length and that 20 min is all you need to maximize your aerobic capacity. I have argued this till I am blue any suggestions?

I'm a serious runner and an Exercise Science major. I can tell you that what we are taught is from a Fitness standpoint not a Competition standpoint.

Exercise for fitness and Exercise for competition are two different animals. Most people who don't run or bike or swim competitively don't understand the difference. Unfortunatly a large number of those people are meathead Exercise Science Majors.

Yepp wrote:

Exercise "science" is a joke anyway, almost as much as nutritional "science".

If Chiropracty is homeopathy, I'd hate to know what the f*** that makes Ex sci and nut sci

Uh, what?

Jumbo Elliot knew more about training for peak performance than the collective wisdom of every exercise physiologist who has ever lived, yet you couldn't find one whitecoat, NOT EVEN ONE, who would ever model a training program after Elliots. That, in itself, is a huge indictment on the 'science' of exercise physiology

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Malmo, could you post or provide a link to Jumbo Elliot's training ideas.

The Red Panda wrote:

Jumbo Elliot knew more about training for peak performance than the collective wisdom of every exercise physiologist who has ever lived, yet you couldn't find one whitecoat, NOT EVEN ONE, who would ever model a training program after Elliots. That, in itself, is a huge indictment on the 'science' of exercise physiology

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Malmo, could you post or provide a link to Jumbo Elliot's training ideas.

Here's your link.

Monday 10x400@1mile pace

Wednesday 6x400 at 800 pace.

Do this every week from January 1 to June 15 and compete often in between.

(note: this is not an exaggeration, this is what Jumbos runners did in their hey day)

Oh, in the winter, do that on an outdoor board track!

malmo,I'd bet you're right about all the whitecoats saying "that looks crazy".Just a few questions:- What kind of recoveries? Short or long or whatever?- I never ran on a board track. Do they wear spikes on the board track in winter?- When is the "peak"?

malmo wrote:

Here's your link.

Monday 10x400@1mile pace

Wednesday 6x400 at 800 pace.

Do this every week from January 1 to June 15 and compete often in between.

(note: this is not an exaggeration, this is what Jumbos runners did in their hey day)

There's a reason why the only competitve runners who wear whitecoats that I know of (Hacker, Snell, Pfitzinger) don't drink from the koolaid bin at work.

I don't know what the recoveries were, nor do I have any interest in what they were. I'd assume about a minute for the 10x and two minutes for 6x.

If it was on the track then it was in spikes. Do you not wear spikes when you do repeat 400s?

I'm going to pretend that on a competitive message board that you didn't have to ask that question about when is the peak.