I was checking out the top women's marathon times of 2010 and there is only 1 Kenyan in the top 30! How is this possible?? Are the Ethiopians cheaper to get into the races or are they just better runners?
Jos Hermanns is one of 5 agents currently operating camps in Ethiopia specifically dealing with the marathon. People within the industry are aware of what is going on
jerry k wrote:
Am I to assume that these women are being trained by Josh Hermanns and his bag of epo, repoxygen or what?
This times are no faster than those of Kristiansen and Benoit
25 yrs ago. This indicates that no marathoners are using epo
now. Notice that nobody is close to Radcliffe's insane drug
There may be a greater volume of Ethiopian women in the marathon (~more money in the marathon than any other event), but they generally suck, relative to their speed and ability in the shorter events. So please, spare us on the "greatness" of the Ethiopian women in the marathon.
douglas burke wrote:
i did a thread on # of men under 2:10 and woman under 2:30 in ethiopia, kenya, europe, japan, last year to point out how the ethiopins in both men and women are exploding in number, while other than the kenyan men the # men under 2:10 and woman under 2:30 is dropping.
How is Ethiopia any different?
i tell you wrote:
There has never been a tide.Ethiopian women have always been better than the kenya women simply because kenya has a male dominant culture.It is so bad to an extend that a world class runner by the name Rita Jeptoo hd her career ruined by the culture( i wont go into details;iam sure Renato canova can enlight us on this).enya has talented women but as long as the culture keeps supressing women and treating them as second class human beings they will never beat ethiopia.
Ok, so the best Ethiopian marathoners on the current list were all born between 1982-1989 (by far, some of the youngest marathoners on the list). They still can't hold a torch to the sub 2:20 ladies who are >29 y.o.! Most of the sub 2:22 ladies were in their 30's. Here's some of the Africans when they ran their PRs: Catherine Ndereba (never a great trackster) was 29, Askale (23), Berhane (33), Tegla (26), Margaret (25), Getenesh (32), Lornah (28), Bizunesh (24), Fatuma (27), Rita (25), Joyce (28), Susan (26), Salina (29), Derartu (33), Esther (22), Teyiba (26). If anything, the Africans appear to be younger and closer to "their prime" than the non-Africans. So nope, no support for your argument of Africans jumping to the marathon too late.
douglas burke wrote:
i was talking about the depth not their greatness, as to their not doing as well in the marathon as they do at 5/10k.
the only ethiopians who were big names on the track and have run marathons, gete wami, berhane adere, derartu tulu all were past their prime when they first ran their first marathon, lets see what happens when t. dibaba,defar, melkamu and runners of that caliber do in the marathon, if race directors can lure them to run a marathon while they are still in their prime.
I suspect the effect of cultural influence on running performance affects young women runners in all countries and allows for the lack of depth. If a young runner or group of runners suddenly improves it could very well be because they have been allowed to shed the chains of oppression.
Last Lap wrote:
The lack of Kenyan women on that list strongly shows the cultural influence on running performance.