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Changing of the tide?
1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/24/2010 4:03PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I was checking out the top women's marathon times of 2010 and there is only 1 Kenyan in the top 30! How is this possible?? Are the Ethiopians cheaper to get into the races or are they just better runners?

Any thoughts??
Changing of the tide?
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/24/2010 4:04PM - in reply to Changing of the tide? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
NativeSon
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/24/2010 4:19PM - in reply to Changing of the tide? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have noticed that too. Ethiopia has had a sudden surge of elite marathon runners (and young ones at that). They should be able to dominate women's marathon for the next five years or so.
jerry k
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/24/2010 7:46PM - in reply to NativeSon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Am I to assume that these women are being trained by Josh Hermanns and his bag of epo, repoxygen or what?
yyy
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/25/2010 4:37AM - in reply to jerry k Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This times are no faster than those of Kristiansen and Benoit
25 yrs ago. This indicates that no marathoners are using epo
now. Notice that nobody is close to Radcliffe's insane drug
aided time.
Nik
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/25/2010 8:41AM - in reply to jerry k Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

jerry k wrote:

Am I to assume that these women are being trained by Josh Hermanns and his bag of epo, repoxygen or what?


Jos Hermanns is one of 5 agents currently operating camps in Ethiopia specifically dealing with the marathon. People within the industry are aware of what is going on
Last Lap
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/25/2010 9:14AM - in reply to Nik Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The lack of Kenyan women on that list strongly shows the cultural influence on running performance.
douglas burke
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/25/2010 10:10AM - in reply to Last Lap Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i did a thread on # of men under 2:10 and woman under 2:30 in ethiopia, kenya, europe, japan, last year to point out how the ethiopins in both men and women are exploding in number, while other than the kenyan men the # men under 2:10 and woman under 2:30 is dropping.

here is a list of the # of sub 2:30 ethiopian woman by year.
1997-1
1998-1
1999-3
2000-4
2001-4
2002-6
2003-4
2004-6
2005-7
2006-7
2007-7
2008-13
2009-25
2010-26 (so far)

as you can see in 2008 the 3 almost doubled, then again in 2009 it almost doubled again and in 2010 they have more sub 2:30's than ever before with many good marathons to come.

maybe of more interest is ethiopia has 9 girls sub 2:25 so far this year. and the russians have 2, france has 1 kenya has 1. the russians have the 2 fastest times in 2010, (2:22.00).
douglas burke
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/25/2010 10:17AM - in reply to douglas burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
forgot a japanese girl has run 2:24.55 this year.
so # of sub 2:25's in 2010 so far 14
ethiopia-9
russia-2
france-1
japan-1
kenya-1

also russia has the #1 and #3 fastest marathoners sofar in 2010 NOT 1 and 2.
J.R.
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/25/2010 10:36AM - in reply to yyy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

yyy wrote:

This times are no faster than those of Kristiansen and Benoit
25 yrs ago. This indicates that no marathoners are using epo
now. Notice that nobody is close to Radcliffe's insane drug
aided time.



QFE

That's am amazing stat about the Ethiopian/Kenyan turn around.
not that great in the marathon
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/25/2010 11:35AM - in reply to douglas burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

douglas burke wrote:

i did a thread on # of men under 2:10 and woman under 2:30 in ethiopia, kenya, europe, japan, last year to point out how the ethiopins in both men and women are exploding in number, while other than the kenyan men the # men under 2:10 and woman under 2:30 is dropping.



There may be a greater volume of Ethiopian women in the marathon (~more money in the marathon than any other event), but they generally suck, relative to their speed and ability in the shorter events. So please, spare us on the "greatness" of the Ethiopian women in the marathon.
douglas burke
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/25/2010 3:13PM - in reply to not that great in the marathon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i was talking about the depth not their greatness, as to their not doing as well in the marathon as they do at 5/10k.
the only ethiopians who were big names on the track and have run marathons, gete wami, berhane adere, derartu tulu all were past their prime when they first ran their first marathon, lets see what happens when t. dibaba,defar, melkamu and runners of that caliber do in the marathon, if race directors can lure them to run a marathon while they are still in their prime.
EB55
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/26/2010 9:29AM - in reply to douglas burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
most of the runners are with either hussien makke out of westchester pa and coached by haji adillo in addis abeba... haji was a marathoner himself and has a good eye for talent.

The money is on the roads and also the marathon.. so track runners are converting in droves. example tadesse tola.. once a promissing prospect at 10,000 is now a marathoner...

No one wants to run track anymore and this will show in the next world champs. $250k for a major marathon vs. A few thousand for a track race 3rd place? i believe its a economic decision.

Atsede Bayesa is an interesting runner.. she ran very well in paris. still no runner has cracked 2:20 from eth.. which shows a lack of maturity at the distance and also true class. its only when the diby's convert -we will see some really fast times.
Precious Roy
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/26/2010 9:59AM - in reply to EB55 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It is cultural. In Addis and other big Ethiopian cities, distance running is one of the few ways women can escape the traditional role of homemaker. For some reason, there is pretty wide acceptance and even national pride in femal distance runners in Ethiopia. Women runners are seen as a symbol of women's liberation in Ethiopia.

In Kenya, by contrast, there is a growing conservative backlash against women distance runners. That is why the Kenyan talent pool has shrunk.
i tell you
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/26/2010 10:46AM - in reply to Precious Roy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There has never been a tide.Ethiopian women have always been better than the kenya women simply because kenya has a male dominant culture.It is so bad to an extend that a world class runner by the name Rita Jeptoo hd her career ruined by the culture( i wont go into details;iam sure Renato canova can enlight us on this).enya has talented women but as long as the culture keeps supressing women and treating them as second class human beings they will never beat ethiopia.
apples and camels
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/26/2010 11:49AM - in reply to i tell you Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

i tell you wrote:

There has never been a tide.Ethiopian women have always been better than the kenya women simply because kenya has a male dominant culture.It is so bad to an extend that a world class runner by the name Rita Jeptoo hd her career ruined by the culture( i wont go into details;iam sure Renato canova can enlight us on this).enya has talented women but as long as the culture keeps supressing women and treating them as second class human beings they will never beat ethiopia.


How is Ethiopia any different?
not that great in the marathon
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/26/2010 12:35PM - in reply to douglas burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

douglas burke wrote:

i was talking about the depth not their greatness, as to their not doing as well in the marathon as they do at 5/10k.
the only ethiopians who were big names on the track and have run marathons, gete wami, berhane adere, derartu tulu all were past their prime when they first ran their first marathon, lets see what happens when t. dibaba,defar, melkamu and runners of that caliber do in the marathon, if race directors can lure them to run a marathon while they are still in their prime.


Ok, so the best Ethiopian marathoners on the current list were all born between 1982-1989 (by far, some of the youngest marathoners on the list). They still can't hold a torch to the sub 2:20 ladies who are >29 y.o.! Most of the sub 2:22 ladies were in their 30's. Here's some of the Africans when they ran their PRs: Catherine Ndereba (never a great trackster) was 29, Askale (23), Berhane (33), Tegla (26), Margaret (25), Getenesh (32), Lornah (28), Bizunesh (24), Fatuma (27), Rita (25), Joyce (28), Susan (26), Salina (29), Derartu (33), Esther (22), Teyiba (26). If anything, the Africans appear to be younger and closer to "their prime" than the non-Africans. So nope, no support for your argument of Africans jumping to the marathon too late.
http://www.arrs.net/AllTime/AL_Mara.htm
questioner of things
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/26/2010 12:37PM - in reply to not that great in the marathon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
b/man 5km?
Crusty the Clown
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/26/2010 1:48PM - in reply to Last Lap Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Last Lap wrote:

The lack of Kenyan women on that list strongly shows the cultural influence on running performance.


I suspect the effect of cultural influence on running performance affects young women runners in all countries and allows for the lack of depth. If a young runner or group of runners suddenly improves it could very well be because they have been allowed to shed the chains of oppression.
chuck kennell
RE: 1 Kenyan to 14 Ethiopian in the top 30 women Marathoners times of 2010? 7/26/2010 4:52PM - in reply to yyy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Are you saying Paula used drugs?
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