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just like Oregon State?
UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 1:30PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
not a good sign; esp. in this area of No. Cal. where there is always an undercurrent of anti-athletics from the far left.

06 PST BERKELEY -- Few subjects evoke more passion than intercollegiate athletics, so the question of whether cash-strapped Cal should continue paying millions of dollars to help float that program will be the hot topic at tonight's Faculty Senate meeting on the UC Berkeley campus.

UC Berkeley faculty endorse cut in athletic aid 11.06.09
Cal faculty to debate support of sports teams 11.05.09

Hundreds are expected to attend, debate the issue, and try to agree on a formal recommendation to the university.

Cal is facing a $150 million deficit this year. Faculty pay has been cut, instructors have been laid off, and courses have been reduced.

At the same time, Cal says it will pay $7.7 million this year, and $6 million next year to help its money-losing but prized Department of Intercollegiate Athletics make ends meet. The money comes from student registration fees and from income generated by self-supporting professional degree programs, said Cal spokesman Dan Mogulof.

In addition, Cal will lend the athletics department $5.8 million this year, and $6.4 million next year from a fund that the university has used in part to support departments in financial difficulty. Although the money is supposed to be paid back, the university has forgiven the debt in recent years.

"With dozens and dozens of cuts to its academic programs, is it not obvious that UC Berkeley must cease putting millions into a program which isn't part of the core academic mission and is supposed to be self-supporting? It's just a matter of priorities," said Brian Barsky, a computer science professor who has been leading the "Academics First" camp.

He's among eight professors who will present a resolution tonight urging Chancellor Robert Birgeneau to stop campus subsidies immediately, or as soon as contractually possible.

A substitute resolution from seven other professors will recommend that the subsidies be allowed to continue for now, with a plan "to set a shortened, realistic time frame for achieving the self-sufficiency of Intercollegiate Athletics."

"Our counter-proposal is to try to find a common ground - which is that the (Department of Intercollegiate Athletics) should be self-sufficient," said Gary Firestone, a biology professor.

Neither resolution is binding.

If tonight's debate lacks the tension of the big Cal-Stanford football game, it won't be for lack of trying.

Firestone said the original resolution has "almost an anti-athletic bias."

Mechanical engineering Professor Alice Agogino labeled the counter-proposal "the status quo" and a "know-nothing resolution that won't change anything."

Meanwhile, in a letter to be published in today's Daily Cal, Athletics Director Sandy Barbour and Vice Chancellor Nathan Brostrom address only the first resolution, and say that immediately stopping the campus subsidies "is unrealistic and would cause grievous harm to the program, while undermining its campus-wide benefits."

They say they support figuring out what would be "appropriate and sustainable" levels of support while working toward "our shared goal of a self-supporting program."

Mogulof said campus officials are not familiar with the counter-proposal.

The Department of Intercollegiate Athletics has an annual operating budget of $65 million, and supports numerous teams. Only men's football and basketball make money.

E-mail Nanette Asimov at nasimov@sfchronicle.com.

This article appeared on page C - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
just like Oregon State?
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 1:35PM - in reply to just like Oregon State? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yes, grammar police, I realize now, upon seeing thread, that it should say 'their' way, not there way.
Tough Shit fool
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 2:15PM - in reply to just like Oregon State? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Tough shit for Cal. They have enough Billionaire alumni in Silicon Valley who can makeup the costs just with the cash tucked in their bras and panty straps. They should stop the war too and save $1 Trillion year. The war is a lost cause. Face it, Islam has won, we lost bigtime.
perception is reality.....
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 2:21PM - in reply to Tough Shit fool Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Schools need sports not just for the athletes but for the student body to have some way to cut loose and be proud of. Have you ever heard of a student body "rally round the math dept"?
Denny Crane
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 2:24PM - in reply to Tough Shit fool Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Tough Shit fool wrote:

Tough shit for Cal. They have enough Billionaire alumni in Silicon Valley who can makeup the costs just with the cash tucked in their bras and panty straps. They should stop the war too and save $1 Trillion year. The war is a lost cause. Face it, Islam has won, we lost bigtime.



I agree their alumni could make up the shortfall.

As to your other comments, Islam has not won, if Islam wins, all non Islam's will be murdered. So, unless you are Islamic, you'd be dead.

The most likely scenario, is radical Islam will go to far, and the west will nuke Mecca and Medina, and there will Muslims will be kicked out of Europe and other countries where they are the minority.

It will likely be real ugly, and potentially the end of human life on the planet.

So write stupid, be stupid, if you want, but such things are not trivial.

BTW, CAL did not start the war, although they do a lot of military work.
on the runs
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 2:29PM - in reply to Denny Crane Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
That's total bullshit. Muslims ruled Iberia for over 700 years and Christians and Jews were free to practice their religions under their rule. One word: dhimmi.
rube
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 2:32PM - in reply to just like Oregon State? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
cut the guys team... its embarrassing how much talent they waste there
BerkEley
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 4:20PM - in reply to just like Oregon State? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
With Cal's changing demographics moving towards 60% Asian, the demise of its athletic program is inevitable. As a general rule, Asians neither play Division 1 sports in any significant number, nor do they support spectator sports. They might go to football games because all of their friends are going (herd mentality), but they don't really care about the game or the tradition. They would prefer that all UC funds go to academic-only purposes.
good point but
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 5:02PM - in reply to BerkEley Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
calling people who want to cut unbelievably unprofitable and unpopular running programs "anti-sport" radicals is a bit of an oxymoron.

You should have gone with "anti-spending a lot of money on a waste of time recreational activity" radicals. That would have been spot on
Damn son
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 5:21PM - in reply to good point but Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

good point but wrote:

calling people who want to cut unbelievably unprofitable and unpopular running programs "anti-sport" radicals is a bit of an oxymoron.

You should have gone with "anti-spending a lot of money on a waste of time recreational activity" radicals. That would have been spot on



You, my good sir, are simply unintelligent... it is completely radical to drop a running program from a school because you want to save a few dollars! Have you ever thought about the number of people that this effects? The athletes on that team would be thrust into a position where they have to uproot themselves to another school, possibly in a different region of the country, and many will lose their scholarships and be unable to afford the same caliber of education at all. And all of this would be for what? Because a few radicals think their video game designers are more worthwhile (not bashing the profession, just an example that athletics are just as important as academics to some people)... it seems like a crazy (and stupid) idea to me.
Right Choice
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 5:22PM - in reply to just like Oregon State? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If you were the president of a major academic university and were faced with cutting faculty, courses, academic aid, or athletics, I athletics is the obvious choice. A place like Cal would not suffer without athletics, its reputation is purely academic and students do not choose to attend Cal for the athletic environment. Other 'good' schools like Duke or Michigan would suffer without athletics, much of their culture is built around basketball/football etc.
Duckie
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 5:49PM - in reply to Right Choice Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Cal has the #5 athletic program in the NCAA. The schools with the most championships are UCLA, USC, Stanford, Oklahoma State, followed by Cal. Cal is in the PAC-10 which is the top athletic conference in the NCAA, especially i n T&F, XC, and Football. Cal is so popular, it has the 2nd most freshman applications each year behind UCLA.
Gophers
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 5:55PM - in reply to Right Choice Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Cal could start admitting more paying students in order to raise revenue. Right now it has the higher number of Pell Grant recipients in the country. In other words, it has the poorest student population in the country. There are plenty of rich kids with decent grades who would pay full price to attend Cal, but they are shut out by the high-stat, low-income Asians who neither pay full tuition nor contribute much as alums. Probably wouldn't sit well with the lib profs to make a good financial decision that might end up benefitting the rich, tho.
Duckie
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 6:07PM - in reply to Gophers Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Since the UC System is the primary source for U.S. federal research labs (DOE, NASA, DOD, etc.), UC schools must admit the most qualified applicants to fullfil it's U.S. National Security mission. East Asians and Central Asians make up the bulk of the scientists and engineers at UC Campuses and at other domestic world class institutions of higher learning. Stanford, USC, and U.S. other premier institutions are infamous for Asian/Jew Exclusion practices, but the UC System is a public institution and is prevented by law from excluding qualified applicants by race.
paddy33
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 6:17PM - in reply to just like Oregon State? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not sure what this Nor Cal anti-sports agenda is that your talking about.

Being from Nor Cal myself, I would be interested in seeing some actual evidence of this.
paddy33
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 6:21PM - in reply to paddy33 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
should read : that *you're* talking about.
silly string
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 6:26PM - in reply to Denny Crane Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Denny Crane wrote:



I agree their alumni could make up the shortfall.

As to your other comments, Islam has not won, if Islam wins, all non Islam's will be murdered. So, unless you are Islamic, you'd be dead.

The most likely scenario, is radical Islam will go to far, and the west will nuke Mecca and Medina, and there will Muslims will be kicked out of Europe and other countries where they are the minority.

It will likely be real ugly, and potentially the end of human life on the planet.

So write stupid, be stupid, if you want, but such things are not trivial.

BTW, CAL did not start the war, although they do a lot of military work.



Sarah Palin, is that you?
Gophers
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 7:07PM - in reply to Duckie Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I wasn't proposing that Cal exclude applicants by race. I was proposing they exclude applicants who can't pay. Cal is not prevented by law from doing this. It makes good business sense to not give away your product for free. Duh.
mighty porn stache
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 7:20PM - in reply to just like Oregon State? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Someone above wrote that Cal has the 5th best athletics program in the NCAA. I don't know if that's exactly true or not, but I do know that Cal is a very recognizable name in both academics and athletics and has a long rich history of athletic success and tradition. HOW is that athletic program not supporting itself? Surely UCLA and USC and Oregon don't use school tuition funds to run athletic programs.
National Security Agency
RE: UC Berkley could cut track and cross country if anti-sports radicals up here get there way 11/7/2009 7:22PM - in reply to Gophers Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
They should deny those that can't pay for West Point, US Air Force Academy, etc. We don't need those ripoff academies anymore given ROTC supplies the best officers.
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