29:04 10K in a triathlon

Even more telling of the way the sport has gone is that looking at the splits, almost the entire field was still as one pack at the start of the run. The other two events were essentially meaningless in terms of spreading out the field.

Why not just skip the logistical hassles of a swim and bike and just run a 10km road race?

thats insane...makes me feel like shit

All this tells me is that Swimming and cycling take almost NO energy out of you.

i will always be partial to running but olympic distance tris are pretty fun to watch. its a dash to stay connected on the bike and get pulled the whole way so the runners can throw down sub 30's and win. the bike guys try to drop them and then hope they can put a minute or two lead so the sub 30 is worthless. you have to be competitive out of the water so that you can hang on in the bike if you are truly relying on your run for the win. when you get into it its pretty cool actually. still... a tactical 10k is better.

Why are the IAAF certifying a triathlon course? Do you mean ITU? IF so, the courses only need to be within 10% of the stated distance, so are usually 9 to 9 1/2 k.

Alistair Brownlee ran low 29 at the Manchester 10k earlier this year, but not sure he could do that after the swim and cycle. Although he would have had a running start.

Yeah, exactly. Why don't they do the same for other races too. Like in the marathon, most of the elite field are still together after 20 miles, so why don't they just skip the first 20 miles and only run the last 6.2. Or maybe for track races such as the 5,000, they're all so close after 11.5 laps they might as well just skip them and only run the final lap.

runamile wrote:

Even more telling of the way the sport has gone is that looking at the splits, almost the entire field was still as one pack at the start of the run. The other two events were essentially meaningless in terms of spreading out the field.

Why not just skip the logistical hassles of a swim and bike and just run a 10km road race?

I have done almost a dozen triathalons and not once have I run slower than my 10k PR, even with the swim and bike beforehand. The run is ALWAYS and I do mean absolutely possitively without a doubt ALWAYS short.

runcool wrote:

All this tells me is that Swimming and cycling take almost NO energy out of you.

at the pro level this is true--athletes rely on wetsuit technology and drafting in the swim, technology and drafting on the bike then after that the race is on

for the hobby triathloner the swim and bike can be huge energy sucks. hence many doing 14-15 mpm pace.

i agree completely. actually the only thing they usually get right is the bike. and thats about 80% of the time

There's no doubt that Brownlee is fast, but I'd like to know what his 10k track pr is. Triathlon runs always seem to be short, no matter what level of competition.

I love threads like this.

LetsRunners can't admit there might be triathletes who are actually faster than they are. Surprise, surprise. It's always "the course was short". Really? EVERY time?

The course wasn't short. 20 years ago, there were scores of guys who could run 29:xx for the 10k. Most of 'em, you've never heard of. Lots of those type guys now do triathlon insted of running road races, because there's more money at it. Get used to it.

Commonsense says it was short and Tri courses are not very accurate.

Brownlee is a fantastic runner and did run 29.35 at the Great Manchester Run but to run 30 seconds faster after the swim and the bike does not add up.

Here is another ITU result!

Results > 2009 Karlovy Vary ITU Triathlon European Cup > Elite Men

2009 Karlovy Vary ITU Triathlon European Cup : Elite Men : Results

Pos First Name Last Name Country Time Swim T1 Bike T2 Run

1 Filip Ospaly CZE 01:49:43 00:18:27 00:00:00 01:03:32 00:00:00 00:27:43

2 Bryan Keane IRL 01:49:44 00:20:07 00:00:00 01:01:11 00:00:00 00:28:26

3 Aurélien Lescure FRA 01:49:50 00:19:17 00:00:00 01:02:48 00:00:00 00:27:44

4 Alessandro Fabian ITA 01:50:02 00:18:25 00:00:00 01:03:33 00:00:00 00:28:04

5 Valentin Meshcheryakov RUS 01:50:20 00:18:17 00:00:00 01:03:49 00:00:00 00:28:13

6 Andrea D'Aquino ITA 01:50:25 00:19:08 00:00:00 01:02:54 00:00:00 00:28:22

7 Matthias Zoell GER 01:50:44 00:19:13 00:00:00 01:02:43 00:00:00 00:28:47

8 Premysl Svarc CZE 01:50:55 00:18:30 00:00:00 01:03:35 00:00:00 00:28:48

9 Alberto Alessandroni ITA 01:51:01 00:18:38 00:00:00 01:03:26 00:00:00 00:28:57

10 Martin Krnavek CZE 01:51:06 00:18:29 00:00:00 01:03:33 00:00:00 00:29:03

11 Bertrand Billard FRA 01:51:14 00:19:38 00:00:00 01:02:25 00:00:00 00:29:09

runamile wrote:

Even more telling of the way the sport has gone is that looking at the splits, almost the entire field was still as one pack at the start of the run. The other two events were essentially meaningless in terms of spreading out the field.

Why not just skip the logistical hassles of a swim and bike and just run a 10km road race?

Yes. This is an ITU race, which means it's draft legal on the bike. Just about everybody will finish in the main pack on the bike as the pace isn't vary fast. It's just a running race with a swim/bike warmup.

Hey, look, revolutionary 29:04 10km training! These courses are such BS... I know what it takes to run 29:30's and that ain't it...

ST: What does a typical mid season workout week look like for you?

Alistair:

Monday: long run 80-90 min, easy off-road, easy ride 2 hrs

Tuesday: swim 75min, easy run 30 min, easy ride 90 min, hard run track session, strength session

Wednesday: swim 75min, easy run 60 min, long ride 2.5hrs

Thursday: swim 75min, easy run + drills session, strength session, hard bike - chain gang run off

Friday: swim 75min, easy run or running session (e.g. hills), easy ride

Saturday: long ride, easy run.

Sunday: long ride, long run, easy swim

His profile... talk about Carmelita Jeter..

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=14069

actually i know there are faster people than me that do triathlons... i race them. the point is that whenever i do one more times than not the run time does not reflect my run fitness level at the time. it is usually faster and if its ever more than a 10k those bastards will state that its 6.4miles or 6.7 miles... these guys are obsessed with fast times and will say 10k for 5.9 to 6.2miles every time

course was short, and they always are, sometimes by 500 meters or more, how the f*** can you be 500 meters off, they don't give a shit about running accurate distances.

You guys are such hilarious, pathetic tards. There are some really incredible endurance athletes in triathlon, get over it. If its so easy, then do it, there is alot of money to be made on the elite world level.