Why is Star Trek Voyager so bad?

Actually I thought it was a very hit or miss series. There were some good episodes that I think rivaled some of the best of the original ST and TNG. But after awhile it became kind of absurd with all the liberties they took with time travel and parallel universes.

I couldn't take the captain seriously. It always seemed like she was TRYING to be taken seriously -- so she didn't own her role, it was just terrible acting. I know there aren't too many female captains in SciFi, but I liked Ivanova from Babylon 5.

I actually thought her acting was pretty good. A huge flaw in all Star Trek series and movies after TNG is that Gene Roddenberry, the shows creator, wasn't involved. He created that entire Star Trek universe. To watch post Roddenberry Star Trek is like watching all the Jaws sequels after Spielberg did the original. The upshot is that I don't think the writing is as good and the acting suffers as a result.

Ok....you're stuck a few hundred years away from Earth...now go!

There's the problem. Voyager...like Enterprise...had no connection to the original characters or storyline. No Klingons? No Cardassians? What? Boring. There was never a consistant evil that people cared about seeing.

Yes I was a Star Trek dork.

Alan

Nah, the problem was that every character on the show had a stick up his or her ass. Granted, I think you need a few characters who play by the rules (Spock and Data), but they can't be prigs, and you certainly can't have too many of them.

In fairness, they did tie the Borg into Voyager.

The real problem with Voyager was the writing. The captain, her first officer and the vulcan were TERRIBLE characters with no depth. That being said, the later seasons of Voyager really aren't too bad. The first season is torture, but seven of nine's character really added a lot to the show. She was basically what the vulcan was supposed to be, the "Spock-Data" of the show.

Enterprise was pretty good until it stopped being about space exploration and turned into time-travel. You could always tell when Berman was desperate, he'd pull out the old time-travel card and call himself a genius.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Ok....you're stuck a few hundred years away from Earth...now go!

I agree with this statement. How can you expect a Star Trek series to really have any suspense when the worst thing that can happen...is that the utterly unlikable crew dies in deep space. Being close to Earth and the Federation ties Star Trek into present fears and anxieties.

They did bring in the Borg, but like Alan said, there was no connection to those Borg and Earth or the rest of the Federation. Compare Voyager's Borg episodes with the two part episode on Next Generation where the Borg are headed for Earth, assimilate Picard, and wipe out forty starships. To me there was just no comparison in terms of urgency or consequences.

I also never found any of the Voyager characters as interesting as the characters on other Star Trek incarnations. I thought they were trying too hard to make the characters interesting rather than letting them develop into someone interesting or likable.

And I think you're absolutely right about the time travel thing. Used occasionally, I think it happened 2-3 times each on both the original series and The Next Generation, it's kind of interesting and novel. But using it as a story line regularly just didn't work well on either Voyager or Enterprise. It does seem like a cheap way of coming up with a plot when you can't come up with anything else.

The one good thing that Voyager did was resurrect the career of Reginald Barclay.

I always think it's funny in Star Trek when they send a crew down to a planet and you know that the guys in the group you haven't seen before are going to die while the main characters survive.

I really hated the inconsistency of the Janeway character. She'd be all gung ho to get her crew home in one episode and then balking when the opportunity presented itself. She'd blindly support the prime directive in one show and break it without any consideration in another. Often, I would find myself thinking, "James T. Kirk would never do this."

Plus, there was no real plot. Their mission was to boldly scamper back home.

On the other hand, Babylon 5 after a slow first season was epic science fiction.

Even funnier was the fact that the most important crew members, the captain, chief engineer, etc were the one’s who went on supposedly dangerous away missions.

But quite frankly, how long would a Starship last in a hostile part of the Quadrant, captained by a female - and even worse - a female chief engineer!

Good job the helmsman was a man - at least the ship would manage to park without having several attempts at it - and still bashing the fenders each time.

880088 wrote:

In fairness, they did tie the Borg into Voyager.

The real problem with Voyager was the writing. The captain, her first officer and the vulcan were TERRIBLE characters with no depth. That being said, the later seasons of Voyager really aren't too bad. The first season is torture, but seven of nine's character really added a lot to the show. She was basically what the vulcan was supposed to be, the "Spock-Data" of the show.

Enterprise was pretty good until it stopped being about space exploration and turned into time-travel. You could always tell when Berman was desperate, he'd pull out the old time-travel card and call himself a genius.

Berman's only genius - and this applies to BSG especially - was stepping aside to let really good writers take the reins. In my opinion the worst episode of all BSG was the last one. It resembled some of the worst of TNG. I'm still bitter about it!

Yes, I'm a nerd....

Sorry, what is "BSG"?

Because tools watch it. You watched it so you are a TOOL!

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