Endurox R4

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Old formula, I liked the lemon-lime. New formula, I like the fruit punch.

I can only find the formula online. Anyone know anything about old vs new?

Forget the endurox r4 and go for Ultragen,

http://www.personalbestnutrition.com/cgi-bin/pbn/334.html

Tastes WAAAAAAAYYYY better, doesn't clump and has much better protein and aminos than r4.

How about Vanilla and Chocolate? I had Chocolate in the old formula, is it relatively the same?

Taste Tester wrote:

Forget the endurox r4 and go for Ultragen

Can I buy Ultragen at GNC or another nutrition store?

vanilla is hideous. I go back and forth between the tangy orange and chocolate.

of course it's all personal opinion...

Tangy orange is the way to go. Delicious! Just had some after my long run this morn

Ultragen has only the flavors Tropical Fruit and Orange Creamsicle.

I guess you can. I always get it from PBN because they have same day shipping and if I order it today, I'll have it tomorrow.

Yummy wrote:

Can I buy Ultragen at GNC or another nutrition store?

Ultragen's a decent product...but you'd be better off with a mix of dextrose and maltodextrin...or even better use waxy maize.

Go to TrueProtein.com. Get a 1lb tub of Hydrolyzed isolates and concentrates. Get a tub of waxy maize. Mix as you see fit.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

Ultragen's a decent product...but you'd be better off with a mix of dextrose and maltodextrin...or even better use waxy maize.

Go to TrueProtein.com. Get a 1lb tub of Hydrolyzed isolates and concentrates. Get a tub of waxy maize. Mix as you see fit.

Alan

One major claim of WMS is “rapid glycogen” storage after exercise compared to other carbs. One study compared WMS to dextrose, maltodextrin, and a “resistant”*** starch. 8 male cyclists were put through a workout designed to deplete their glycogen stores**** so their muscles would be primed for glycogen storage as mentioned above in the “Brief History” section. Furthermore, after feeding them these various carb sources - at 24 hours after the glycogen depleting workout program - glycogen levels were essentially the same between the WMS, dextrose, and malto. In fact - although not statistically significant - dextrose was the best of the bunch in this study for getting glycogen levels back up after the exercise protocol (1) which is what athletes should strive for after tough workouts.

Another big claim of WMS is as a pre workout carb source, but is it any better than, say dextrose? The answer appears to be NO. Ten well trained, elite male cyclists were given either WMS, dextrose, resistant starch (RS), or placebo, and their ability to sustain endurance work after ingesting these carb sources and placebo tested. Performance during prolonged endurance exercise is related to the ability to maintain blood glucose levels via glycogen storage and ingested carbs before and or during the exercise. So, these researchers wanted to see which of these carb sources consumed pre-exercise would maintain performance during prolonged exercise. That is, which carb source would fuel the greatest amount of work in the final 30 minutes. First, they gave the cyclists (at separate times) each of the carbs (about a 75 gram dose) 30 minutes before their 2-hour ride. The blood glucose and insulin response from dextrose was 3 times higher in the first 15 minutes; at 30 minutes glucose was still over 1.5 times higher while insulin remained 3 times higher. Then they did their exhaustive ride. The study found dextrose and WMS similar (although dextrose still had a slight edge) in their ability to maintain performance with RS and placebo being less effective (2). Again, WMS did not show itself to be anything special and slightly less effective then good old dextrose. This also is the first study (of several—see more below) to show WMS to be low glycemic and low insulinemic (low insulin spiking).

I've been aware of the WMS v Vitargo issue....my question as far as the research goes is what is the source of WMS they are using? Not all WMS is made the same.

The initial Vitargo products were made from a specific Swedith potato starch with a very high molecular weight and low osmolarity that leads to very quick gastic emptying, bypasses the liver and is immediately absorbed. Vitargo I believe currently uses a barley variant.

Trueprotein uses Amylocel, other companies may use an inferior product. Once Vitargo started selling of course other inferior companies will come out quickly with inferior products to make a quick buck on the WMS craze while their product isn't as good.

While Amylocel isn't going to be as effective as Vitargo I do believe it is just as if not more effective than dextrose/maltodextrin or any of the intial non-Vitargo WMS products.

Product quality changes faster than research can test it. I'd like to see a study using Trueprotein's exact product.

Alan

Orange; mix it into a smoothie with water, fruit, yogurt, and chopped ice; very tasty that way.

chocolate is the best... by far

I like Fruit Punch the best

I get it supplementwarehouse.com

Endurox R4 Orange Creamsicle = 1 scoop tangy orange r4 w/ 1 scoop vanilla

doesnt the addition of ice cream "ruin" the patented 4:1 ratio?

vanilla r4

Ultragen is a good product, but I consider it to be very expensive and therefore not realistic as an everyday recovery product.