Drew Hunter - 2 mile TT prediction thread

Also did he run a 3200 or a 2 mile?

just a dude, passing by randomlyy wrote:

I love how you even said in an earlier post that excuses wouldn't be necessary, but here you are with: 1. hot temperatures (68?) 2. Wind 3. Had to run solo for 2k 4. Stress fracture last year 5. No racing for 8 months.

I'm not even hating, I'm a fan of Drew - but you are absurd and you're not doing Tinman or Hunter any good by acting and posting the way you do.

Cosign. I'm becoming suspicious that LRP's true intent is to draw criticism to Hunter, Tinman, and TME with the tone he tends to take on here.

Also, I didn't even have to waste my time doing this but here are the temperatures for when outdoor world records were set:

1500: High temp: 81 / Low temp: 68

3000: High temp: 77 / Low temp: 57

5000: High temp: 61 / Low temp: 54

10000: High temp: 64 / Low temp: 55

I was hoping for sub 8:30 but it was what he predicted.

So you just listed 5 FACTS and framed them as "excuses". Put in 68f and a 2-mile time of 8:36 in Daniels VDOT calculator. Tada! 8:42. And that doesn't even consider the wind, no pacers, or anything else! Kipchoge's team made absolutely sure temperature would be around 50F, max 52F or so during sub 2. Sure, a 2-mile is not a marathon, but it's also not a 800m, so it did matter.

I didn't hype anything up, nor did he, he said he was aiming for a 8:30-8:40 - which was achieved. This thread was created for informational purposes, since one of the best runners in the USA was holding a TT after not racing for 8 months.

Sure, many people hoped he could have run faster since he is a 7:39 3k/13:21 5k guy, but he achieved these times in competition with competitors pushing him. He is a fierce competitor, constantly fighting with Grant Fisher, one of the most talented HS runners ever, when he was just a junior while Fisher was a senior. Without such people pushing him to his absolute limits, it's hard to throw down an incredible TT, especially with limited pacing and non-ideal conditions. after not having raced for 8+ months. I'm sure himself and his coach are perfectly fine with this TT result in the overall scheme of things. Don't increase the importance of it unnecessarily.

Are you insane? What's "ta-da" say about the realtime conditions at Kipchoge's sub-2? You couldn't even see through the humidity, and the temp was definitely not 52.

Under-promise and over-deliver. Maybe you've heard of it. An 8:36 for a third-year pro who said 30-40? Keep trying.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

I don't know what people were expecting.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

It will be his first race after coming back from a major injury. What can we expect? I think 8:20-8:30 is the realistic range we should be looking at.

You yourself were expecting somewhere between 8:20-8:30 in the OP. I guess that's what people were expecting.

Anyway, the result doesn't really matter, it will be at least a year before any competition happens again meaning Hunter has plenty of time to get back in shape. People are just making fun of it because they're sick of all the TME promotion on the boards by you and others.

Didn’t Craig Virgin run an 8:40 2 mile in high school when it was more than 90 degrees?

He seemed completely gassed afterward, and I'm pretty sure he was actually shooting for like 8:25 based on early splits/his mom's comments (if I heard correctly). Granted it was a TT and he hasn't raced in a looong time, but not great.

If this thread was made for information purposes because one of the best American runners was running a time trial then why haven't you posted for the other top American runners that have done time trials? Hoka NAZ Elite have done some time trials and plan on doing more time trials going forward. Will you be posting about them as well? Or any other elites that do so going forward?

Hi recent 10x400m workout he was doing 63s and 62s which were "3k pace" and "felt easy." Pretty clear that the reps were done too fast and should have been done at 64-65s.

Alabama BSS wrote:

Didn’t Craig Virgin run an 8:40 2 mile in high school when it was more than 90 degrees?

No.

I was expecting 8:35.41 and a reopening of the state of Virginia tomorrow. Why doesn't Drew and the state live up to my expectations?

Oh, by the way, at last count, Drew has raised just short of $10,000 for a great cause. Let's do the Letsrun.com thing and make a negative out of that. Like this: It would have been even more money had he run as fast as the dolts on Letsrun.com expected. Or this: Haiti?? They're a bunch of foreigners there, so why give 'em a cent when so many in America need help right now? (Where's that red, white, and blue US flag symbol when I need it?)

epicTCK wrote:

Han Solo wrote:

Seems like it could be.

Especially seeing as Young ran an 8:03 3k followed by 8x400 the other day.

yeah I'd choose the field in a class of 2020 vs Hunter 2 mile.

agreed. I didn't expect anything crazy from Drew given his (already delineated) circumstances , but I'm not sure he'd beat Nico Young at this moment in time.

I'd predict Nico even splits an 8:32, with Hunter either falling off the pace early in the last lap or sitting and kicking on Nico. It'd be close.

LappedMiler wrote:

I was expecting 8:35.41 and a reopening of the state of Virginia tomorrow. Why doesn't Drew and the state live up to my expectations?

Oh, by the way, at last count, Drew has raised just short of $10,000 for a great cause. Let's do the Letsrun.com thing and make a negative out of that. Like this: It would have been even more money had he run as fast as the dolts on Letsrun.com expected. Or this: Haiti?? They're a bunch of foreigners there, so why give 'em a cent when so many in America need help right now? (Where's that red, white, and blue US flag symbol when I need it?)

I mean, no one said anything like that, until you just did.

I like that Tinman Elite is helping Haiti. Our esteemed leader has been crapping on them for years, and anyway, with him in charge of this country we're good to go.

If I'm Drew, I'm thrilled the Olympics aren't this year.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

63-2:08-3:11-4:14-6:24-7:33-8:36.

Brother Jacob Hunter quit after around 1000m, that's what happens when a 4:13 guy needs to pace a 3:53 guy. He had to run by himself since then.

You do know, don't you, that Jacob, as a pacer, was supposed to step off the track?? Quit? Yeah, what he did fits the definition, but "quit" is an awfully ugly word which doesn't fit the occasion.

You do know, don't you, that Drew isn't a 3:53 miler? His best is 3:56, run both indoors and outdoors.

Your 4:13 for Jacob's best miles is also inaccurate. His best 1600 (run by VA high schoolers) was 4:13.75, which converts to 4:15.22 for the mile (using the MileSplit conversion tool), while his open mile best is 4:18.98. However, he's faster even than 4:13 if you count his 4xMile relay anchor split of 4:11.901 (to be exact), when The Jungle TC (Loudoun Valley HS) broke their own national record with their second consecutive win at the indoor nationals in March 2019. (Jacob was on the previous record-setting team, too). Those 2019 results:

Boys 4xMile Relay Championship

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Ntl,Meet,Arm: N 17:01.82 3/18/2018 Loudoun Valley, Purcellville, VA

C Wells,Jacob Hunter,C Bogucki,Sam Affolder

School Finals H#

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1 The Jungle Tc-Va 17:01.81

1) #3171 Kevin Carlson 4:22.260 (4:22.260)

2) #3181 Connor Wells 8:43.716 (4:21.456)

3) #3167 Samuel Affolder 12:49.908 (4:06.192)

4) #3175 Jacob Hunter 17:01.808 (4:11.901)

72 for 418 meters

OWL wrote:

wind has nothing to do with going from 66s to 72s

418 meters

Dude, you're being a PITA. Stop being so f-ing pedantic. Hunter has run a 3:35 1500. That's closer to 3:53 than 3:56. Obviously pros don't run the mile all that often.

Anyway, it was a solid time trial. Not great, but not terrible either. Conditions were also not great but not terrible. I suspect that Drew thought he'd run faster, but it's a decent solo effort and a fine starting point to build from here. Lots of runners have been running time trials lately for obvious reasons, as have I, and it's really, really hard to run fast in a solo effort, esp when you go out too fast like it turns out Drew did. I don't care how good a runner you are, it's a lonely and tough haul home when you're running solo and fading in the second half of a time trial.