Watching the Decline/End of America as a Superpower in Realtime ...

Anne Frank says no wrote:

axtual historian wrote:

Every country doesn't celebrate or create lasting memorials for the perpetrators of those wrong deeds, however.

Extreme difference.

Wow. Interesting. So I guess you believe Auschwitz should be shut down then eh? Perhaps we should forget all about the atrocities of WW2?

Disgusting.

Oh, I see you're confused again. Dictionaries help with words you don't completely understand. Give it a try.

Anne Frank says no wrote:

axtual historian wrote:

Every country doesn't celebrate or create lasting memorials for the perpetrators of those wrong deeds, however.

Extreme difference.

Wow. Interesting. So I guess you believe Auschwitz should be shut down then eh? Perhaps we should forget all about the atrocities of WW2?

Disgusting.

Be smarter than that.

Auschwitz was a real prison, not a memorial created to celebrate Hitler AFTER the event.

facts and reason wrote:

axtual historian wrote:

Illegal immigrants are 44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives.

You are the one that needs to get educated.

Have you ever thought of the reason for that skewed, biased statistic?

This is the real insanity of crime that leftists choose to ignore because they are hypocrites.

Your first source actually works against your heinously racist prerogative.

Your second source is a primary reason why people flee from other countries, again working against your heinously racist prerogative.

Wow, you're just lobbing up softballs.

Is this one of those counter-trolling things where you make the opposing side look as absurd as possible with ridiculous assertions and derogatory vitriol? You're doing well at that.

axtual historian wrote:

Your second source is a primary reason why people flee from other countries, again working against your heinously racist prerogative.

"As of 2014, Mexico has the 16th highest rate of homicides committed against women in the world.[35] This rate has been on the rise since 2007.[35]"

"According to the 2013 Human Rights Watch, many women do not seek out legal redress after being victims of domestic violence and sexual assault because "the severity of punishments for some sexual offenses contingent on the "chastity" of the victim" and "those who do report them are generally met with suspicion, apathy, and disrespect.""

The biased statistic is like that because it's part of their culture NOT TO REPORT crime.

You are a leftist false accuser. Everyone can see here the facts. Let it be known that "facts and reason" has won the debate here.

The leftists are hypocrites who are wrong.

facts and reason wrote:

student of economics wrote:

4) Universal healthcare for all.

You are a liar or deluded. You are falsely accusing me of being racist. Name one thing I said that was racist.

I have no problem with scientists, singers, musicians, business owners, athletes, diplomats, or college students from arriving from other countries.

If robots are going to take our jobs, then we don't need to bring in millions of uneducated people from the 3rd World.

You claim, "11 billion people are fine. We can take care of all of them."

https://borgenproject.org/15-world-hunger-statistics/

"Approximately 842 million people suffer from hunger worldwide."

"Approximately 9 million people die of world hunger each year according to world hunger statistics;"

I'm showing the real facts. You are speculating about peace and harmony in a Star Trek future.

Foolish person. In U.S. we have a public policy to waste edible corn in order to make ethanol. That is reality. You are not stating U.S. farmers maximize their production are you? It is not just U.S. farmers. Farmers in most wealthy nations are subsidized to produce below equilibrium. I am happy to help and educate. I will not post again on this thread. I have wasted enough of my time debating you. Anyway, we can feed the world when population reaches 11 billion.

appleswan wrote:

11 billion people will still exist in 2100 even if they don’t emigrate to developed countries - if you can’t explain why the population is increasing then you can’t begin to explain to me why 11 billion is too many.

You cannot be against climate change and then ask for millions of people from low-pollution countries to enter America and then adopt the fast-food-eating obesity lifestyle. This is hypocrisy to both want more humans nearby and then to also want to reduce pollution at the local factory.

I've explained it to you.

I"ve also explained why the statistics are skewed to show less crime for illegals. They are less likely to report crime to begin with.

old_dead_people wrote:

It just shocks me so many seem to be cheering for the fall of the USA. Most posters here are from Europe or North America and the US has helped uphold democracy and freedoms for decades. We have subsidized Europe's military at great expense since WWII. What do you Europeans think will happen if the US falters? You realize Russia, China, Islam etc aren't your friends right? Do you think with an aging population you can scare them off with military might? You social spending programs at the very least will be diverted into military spending.

Yes the US helped to uphold democracy in Europe a lot after the 2nd WW.

But it's also a fact that the Military Industrial Complex is pretty much the only US Industry which still produces in the US. Everything else is outsourced to Asia and a tiny bit to Mexico.

The cold war is long over. Russia would now not be able to invade Europe and I don't think they have a desire to do so. Moskau would be flat within days and Putin knows that. But the real threats of the modern word are hackers and pandemics but the Orange in charge has not figured that out yet. Trump still has a 1960ies world view.

student of economics wrote:

I am happy to help and educate. I will not post again on this thread. I have wasted enough of my time debating you. Anyway, we can feed the world when population reaches 11 billion.

Apparently you are not happy enough to help in this thread. If I'm wrong, then correct my mistakes and show me.

If you're too scared to debate, then you should look at the confidence of your own answers.

Let's say the factory has enough of a capacity to make toilet paper for 10,000 residents in your town... ok?

So what? That has nothing to do with the toilet paper actually getting to the store shelves for you.

Let's say the farmers in America technically have the production capacity to feed 100 billion elephants. So what?

The facts are the facts. Millions of people die of starvation. There are millions of people who are poor and uneducated. Every woman on another continent has 4.6 babies. Is that supposed to be sustainable? Are they being responsible? Would you have 5 children if you made less than $10,000 per year?

Are American farmers supposed to make all that food and send it to them for free? You are speculating about some sort of science-fiction utopia where we all give each other free healthcare and free food in the year 2100.

So you think... Putin annexed Crimea for fun because he loves Europe? Europe's military is in shambles. If you think you are all going to sing kumbaya and have world peace you are pretty naive.

Those folks are fools but, I'm telling you, this is why AOC has a shot to rise. Laziness, especially in the new Fortnite generation, has rooted its ugly head. On top of that, you have these stone cold losers out there pushing this anti American propoganda to satisfy their thirst to explain why they lost the election. They never have facts and they never have reason. Calling someone "Orange" does not win a debate.

Noyankee wrote:

They never have facts and they never have reason.

Thank you for the support. If I am wrong, then I will take the corrections and accept that I've made mistakes.

"Mugabe is asking back the white farmers he chased away".

This article alone makes me win the debate.

HOW CAN YOU SAY FARMERS WILL ALL GIVE US FREE FOOD IN THE YEAR 2100?

Aren't you supposed to make good financial decisions to raise a child in the 21st century? Why would a single mother have 5 children unless she can milk the town for welfare and food stamps. Why would poor women over there have 4.6 babies each if they cannot provide for them 100%?

El Keniano, I dont always disagree with your posts but this one calls for a stand my ground and invokes patriotism. The United States of America is a preeminent symbol of First World democracy. What we have is a pandemic and our rates are very high because our humanitarian standards are high. Although there is inequality scattered across various spectrums human equality is a core value of our democracy along with liberty. Other countries are not willed to testing and reporting with the same accuracy. Dont get your hopes up for the dissolution of the United States or its commanding heights. Remember when the U.S. economy gets sneezes the rest of the world gets sick. This is because we are the global superpower and hegemony of hegemonies. Also, the next closest competitor to the U.S. military is 50% less capable and our friend. Stand corrected that no one will push the USA of its chair.https://i.pinimg.com/originals/88/36/24/883624319f4873dbd91b1817a4245ca1.jpg

El Keniano wrote:

... has been the most transcendent experience of my life. Absolutely staggering! As a lifelong student of history, I can’t believe I got to witness the collapse of two empires (Soviet and American) in, speaking historically, such a short span. The speed at which the USA ceded ground to China has been lighting fast. And it appears a third empire (the E.U.) might be on shaky ground.

Mind-blowing! ?

facts and reason wrote:

appleswan wrote:

11 billion people will still exist in 2100 even if they don’t emigrate to developed countries - if you can’t explain why the population is increasing then you can’t begin to explain to me why 11 billion is too many.

http://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2017/05/31/Carbon%20PP.PNG

You cannot be against climate change and then ask for millions of people from low-pollution countries to enter America and then adopt the fast-food-eating obesity lifestyle. This is hypocrisy to both want more humans nearby and then to also want to reduce pollution at the local factory.

I've explained it to you.

I"ve also explained why the statistics are skewed to show less crime for illegals. They are less likely to report crime to begin with.

I didn’t mean describe the statistics to me - I can understand whatever statistic you show. What I meant was explain - why do illegal immigrants not report crime? Is it because they're fearful of deportation? Do they not trust the system? Do they recognize no matter how badly they treat by each other that snitching is going to create wider problems for themselves?

There is a famous quote - “most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination”. Don’t make the mistake of quoting stats to prove a point - they do not provide answers.

Can you explain why the United States is second in that list whereas Mexico is about average? What has the United States done differently? The stat isn’t important it’s the analysis.

But you haven’t explained why the population is increasing.

My explanation is because more children means the family unit is more economically viable as in the absence of business ownership or capital they can work. The human population will always increase if this is the basis for an economy.

Your attempt to refute actual facts and statistics that show how few immigrants are in prison compared to native-born Americans, is to post statitistics from other countries.

It gets even more hilarious. Now let's talk about all the other countries!

Woohoo!

Ah, sweetheart, this isn't a debate. This is a showcase of your brazen racist absurdity.

facts and reason wrote:

Apparently you are not happy enough to help in this thread. If I'm wrong, then correct my mistakes and show me.

If you're too scared to debate, then you should look at the confidence of your own answers.

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You've already shown to be wrong. Repeatedly.

Again, this isn't a debate. You hurl insults to detract from your inability to refute facts and statistics. You employ multiple fallacies to detract from your inability to refute facts and reasons. You post increasingly long diatribes to detract from your inability to refute facts and reasons.

That's not debate. That's you being wrong, doubling down, being wrong more, and then throwing a temper tantrum about it.

I'd say you're an amateur, but you're not even that. It's not even good trolling.

It's just... sad.

Well, bye.

axtual historian wrote:

Your attempt to refute actual facts and statistics that show how few immigrants are in prison compared to native-born Americans, is to post statitistics from other countries.

"In 2017, there were 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S., including 4.9 million Mexicans."

You've lost the debate. Everyone can see here.

Leftist like you want more illegal immigrants > Mexicans make up the largest group of illegals > Therefore, crime in Mexico most definitely is relevant to this discussion.

You can't simply say, "Haha! You are now looking at Mexico! That has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration."

appleswan wrote:

Can you explain why the United States is second in that list whereas Mexico is about average? What has the United States done differently? The stat isn’t important it’s the analysis.

"The United States has the 12th highest obesity rate in the world of 36.2%."

Yes, I can explain why the American lifestyle produces more pollution.

One reason is the obesity rate. Texans say, "Everything is bigger in Texas."

If you go to McDonald's, then you are not only paying for the food, you are also paying for the refrigerator, grill, electric lights, etc. America has a higher carbon footprint than other countries.

Another reason is cars. Americans like SUVs and other gas-guzzlers. More wealth means more capacity to buy luxury items.

I've explained it to you, and leftists are hypocrites if they want to take poor people from mud huts and then give them free housing, free food, and free money to "live the American dream". This also would contribute to pollution levels. You cannot have it both ways.

axtual historian wrote:

This is a showcase of your brazen racist absurdity.

You're just playing the race card again because you cannot argue against the facts. You haven't highlighted or quoted a single sentence of mine that is "racist".

You don't have counter-arguments, counter-facts, counter-statistics, counter-quotes, etc. All you can do is point the finger and say, "You're bad."

NO. THE AMERICAN SPIRT WILL PERSEVERE.

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