We can't continue to let people lose everything and go broke for social distancing there has to be an in between

Enough; the media is loving this.Food stores are making a killing, that's your local mom and pop food store, but others; the majority are hurting or closed. Some are hurting a little, not to bad, but others are dying, and most aren't even open. Some people are staying open because some money, if it's a small fraction of what they take in, is better then nothing and they are hanging in there till April 30. You fool's that keep saying close everything down for months are fools. The money the government is sending is not making it to people timely and not all 1099s are eligible to receive the money they talk about. Folks people are hurting and scared. So if you want the economy to stay closed, and things not to open up, not even some restrictions being lifted on businesses previously not able to stay open, basically everything staying this way for months on end, please send me and others a check.

I fear that they will keep extending the SAH and keep saying "the vaccine wil solve everything," which means due to the 18-month lag time to get a vaccine, everything will be put on hold until 9/2021.

Nobody will be alive by then if the economy is on hold.

Valley Girl wrote:

Mountain guy wrote:

I think that a lot of people who want to keep the lockdown measures forever are people who have a steady source of income unaffected by the lockdown.

People "who want to the keep the lockdown measures forever" don't exist. So any opinion about what non-existent people think or why they behave certain ways would seem to define the word irrelevant.

I miss a couple of my buddies from work, but I am a design engineer and I can work from anywhere in the world, so I am good with the shutdown for at least a couple more months. My office politics are the worst and right now I can just not pay attention in all of the meetings on conference call. Plus, no commute, so easy double runs!!

No problem - just as long as people have something that says they do not have the virus. If you are sick with the virus - the business owner makes himself liable if another person gets sick.

Soon as testing is easy to get - then let everyone in.

Liable of what? When someone dies of the flu, can the family members sue the employer?

jecht wrote:

I fear that they will keep extending the SAH and keep saying "the vaccine wil solve everything," which means due to the 18-month lag time to get a vaccine, everything will be put on hold until 9/2021.

Sure seems like that's what the Democratic governors want to do. Most of the Republican governors want to open up and get things rolling. This is become so political now with the Democrats wanting to extend the lockdowns as long as possible to further kill the economy and hurt Trump more come election time (who would have thought).

And Damn...I have a Democratic governor in the state I live in. ? This means we'll be locked down until 2022 or so.

You Democrats beat everything by making this such a political issue! ?

So just to be clear, despite the vitriol, you are FOR opening up the economy and allowing people the personal freedom and liberty to choose for themselves how much to interact with society? Dude, except for the lack of concern for humanity that you seem to display, you and I basically agree. Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, baby.

No sane person advocates for a year long lockdown. At that point, the cure would indeed be worse than the disease.

Some countries in Europe such as Austria have already opened small businesses this week! But they also had an early lockdown and are in better shape than the US. Please don't make everything a partisan issue. It is clear that both Trump as well as DeBlasio totally botched it. California did well.

I for one am all for reopening the economy as soon as possible. Perhaps on a state by state basis.

For instance, here in New Mexico, our (Democratic) governor has closed down everything including liquor stores and golf courses. Yet, if I wanted to (which I won't) I could drive 4 hours up to Colorado or over to Texas and go to any liquor store and play as much golf as I wanted to.

Doesn't make sense to me. NM has had a total (as of today) 36 deaths from COVID-19, with every single one being either elderly or having pre existing conditions. I have a buddy from Philadelphia who is an international airline pilot for AA who flew his empty AirBus jumbo jet out to Roswell today to put on moth balls. He called me and thought for sure we could get together and play golf which I told him we couldn't because all the courses were closed here in New Mexico. He couldn't believe it. Yet we could drive over to Texas and play if we wanted to (which we won't) but all the golf courses across the border are completely booked (I called) because everyone is driving over there to play! Insane.

Liquor stores here are closed yet you can go to any grocery store or big box to buy beer, wine, or booze; they profit and the little stores suffer. Crazy.

Sounds like NM are doing a great job.

Maybe if more people were out playing golf in groups and touching the same flags the infection and death rates would be higher.

If the country is closed for even another year, more people will die from economic-related effects then coronavirus. Go a little while longer on lockdown and then gradually reopen

Dumbazz, you are wrote:

I see plenty of 'old' people without masks, while we all have them on.

I see them on the news saying they have no fear.

I see all of us working to keep the disease from getting to them.

These boomers have raped the country for far, far too long.

Open it up tomorrow.

They are the worst. I live in a primarily senior community. They are the rudest, most entitled, most selfish overall demographic that I have ever interacted with. At the park they are all over the place, without masks, and they will not move over at all to pass. Straight down the middle of the trail they go, and they cuss you if you get off of the trail into the grass to pass them. They also get to shop at most of the stores before everyone else, and the hoarding bastards buy up everything. By the time the rest of us are allowed to go in, the store looks like a pack of hyenas has been through. This is so they can get their shopping done in time to have big get togethers in the afternoons. My neighbors have all been having big, loud garden parties most afternoons.

They laugh because they are getting the stimulus and don't need it. They laugh because they have 100+ rolls of toilet paper in their closets for 2 people. They are just friggin jerks. Then they look at people my age and demand respect. My whole attitude toward old people has changed since moving here 8 years ago.

We are currently carrying out an in-between.

End of thread.

GarbagePeopleFS wrote:

You feel free to disregard the public health experts, congregate away. Close talk with your pals. Party like it's 1999 fella!

The smart ones will play it safe until there is a vaccine. Period. It sucks economically for everyone. The people bitching the most aren't hurt any more than the rest of us, which is what makes them so fvcking selfish. We're all hurting, jacka$$es.

Again, go for it. When someone in your circle of friends or family is sick, well that will suck hard, won't it? You prepared to sleep at night for the rest of your life after being so stupid and selfish?

A lot of good having friends and family is if you can't see them for 2 years. I'm a single guy in my late 30s who lives alone. I'm really not interested in throwing away the next 2 years of my life sitting inside, occasionally having video calls with people. Frankly, I think that is an acceptable level of selfishness. I'm doing my part now, but asking people to do this for more than 3-4 months is a lot. Once we get a better handle on this thing (learn more about how to treat it, have more supplies, more testing, etc.), I think people should be more or less free to go about their lives if they choose.

Ha! Here's my solution:

No more than three in a group. No flags, no golf carts.

If you can't walk you can't play. (Most players who ride carts are millennials anyway, lazy bastards).

Pay your green fee at the window. No snack bars.

Golf groups are at least 100 yards apart.

Good outdoor exercise and cheap entertainment with some limited social interaction among friends.

I'm a older runner/walker and fortunately enjoy wide open spaces in rural NM where I can go for run/walks for hours and not see anyone, but I also enjoy golf and can't play.

While trails and bike paths in nearby Albuquerque are packed. Stupid.

We have senior hours at the local grocery store where I shop (7-8am MWF) but they stopped enforcing it because all the youngsters were ignoring it and coming in anyway.

Now who's being selfish?

Mountain guy wrote:

I agree with you. I think that a lot of people who want to keep the lockdown measures forever are people who have a steady source of income unaffected by the lockdown.

Of course, if I'm a teacher getting paid the same and I can work from home without having to deal with any of the kids, that sounds great.

Said no teacher ever.

Tap into reality, please.

kw1954 wrote:

For instance, here in New Mexico, our (Democratic) governor has closed down everything including liquor stores and golf courses. Yet, if I wanted to (which I won't) I could drive 4 hours up to Colorado or over to Texas and go to any liquor store and play as much golf as I wanted to.

Doesn't make sense to me. NM has had a total (as of today) 36 deaths from COVID-19, with every single one being either elderly or having pre existing conditions.

Because of your governor's quick action, you're going to get to play golf all summer. You're going to have to suck it up for a couple of more weeks, at which point New Mexico will have not only flattened the curve, but bent it downward. And then when things get restarted again (probably in staged increments, because you have a smart governor), they'll stay open.

Or you could be like South Dakota, where the curve looks like a ski slope pointing straight to the moon. They didn't close much, and they still aren't, and now they're going to be wrestling with this thing for months-- which is ridiculous given how spread out their population is and how little international tourism they get. If South Dakota had sucked it up a month ago they'd be just about done now. And if they try to re-start when their dear leader in DC tell them to, they're just going to have to shut it down again.