The Covid Cult is getting ridiculous. Mass hysteria beta orbiters.
The Covid Cult is getting ridiculous. Mass hysteria beta orbiters.
What are you guys gonna say when that 12,800 number does pass the 24,000 number? You realize that the 12,800 have occurred mostly in two weeks while the 24,000 was over the course of a whole year?
I just don't see how any intelligent person could look at the last two weeks and still point to the cumulative number when the virus wasn't even in our country until February, and obviously takes some time to get widespread. It's done half the damage the flu has in about 1/7th the amount of time..
cdthn wrote:
facts and reason wrote:
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-02-07/theres-a-virus-spreading-in-us-thats-killed-10-000-the-flu"As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season, and 45 million were infected."
Bro, you do realize the flu season is six months long. Not to mention covid death rate is over 12,000 with only 383,000 cases in just over a month in the US. Just think what it would be with 45 million cases! What aren’t you people getting that covid is far more problematic than the flu? The cdc lists influenza mortality rate as .01%. Right now in the US, covid has a mortality rate of over 3%.
Do you realize that 85% of this years flu season occurred since Christmas? Only 15% from October 1 - December 36.
birdbeard wrote:
What are you guys gonna say when that 12,800 number does pass the 24,000 number? You realize that the 12,800 have occurred mostly in two weeks while the 24,000 was over the course of a whole year?
I just don't see how any intelligent person could look at the last two weeks and still point to the cumulative number when the virus wasn't even in our country until February, and obviously takes some time to get widespread. It's done half the damage the flu has in about 1/7th the amount of time..
That 24,000 is excess mortality.
To get the comparable number for Covid 19, divide by 3 or possible even by up to 10.
facts and reason wrote:
"As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season, and 45 million were infected."
Why do you put nails in your own coffin?
Do you not realize 3% of diagnosed US infections have died? extrapolate that to 45 million infections and we would have 1,350,000 deaths. In places that actually have good testing the death rate is still at or above 1%.
You have to make wild, unsupportable assumptions about the true infection & death rates in order to avoid the logical conclusion or your own argument. Reasonable people don't make wild, unsupportable assumptions.
Facts Matter? wrote:
Where you at Facts Matter? wrote:
But ... it's just a flu bro.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/burden-of-h1n1.htmlNice deflection, however, it's still not even deadlier than the current, mild flu season, much less 2017/2018.
24,000 is still more than 12,800 and no one is in a panic over the current flu.
61,000 is still more than 12,800 and no one packed in 2017/2018
162 children, age 0-4, are still dead from, the flu and no one is panicking.
"Interesting" how much you are rooting for more deaths just to prove me wrong. You should feel very proud.
I checked out since Rojo's glorious april fools thread. Is facts matter one of those Qanon guys?
Gotcha? I can play too wrote:
cdthn wrote:
Bro, you do realize the flu season is six months long. Not to mention covid death rate is over 12,000 with only 383,000 cases in just over a month in the US. Just think what it would be with 45 million cases! What aren’t you people getting that covid is far more problematic than the flu? The cdc lists influenza mortality rate as .01%. Right now in the US, covid has a mortality rate of over 3%.
Do you realize that 85% of this years flu season occurred since Christmas? Only 15% from October 1 - December 36.
I always felt December was a long month, but never knew why
birdbeard wrote:
What are you guys gonna say when that 12,800 number does pass the 24,000 number? You realize that the 12,800 have occurred mostly in two weeks while the 24,000 was over the course of a whole year?
Also not only is the Corona death rate much higher (yesterday = 1000 deaths just in one day) these Corona deaths are WITH social distancing measures in place.
If you acted just like Corona was the flu, the numbers would be much much bigger still.
In the 2017/2018 flu season there were 61,000 deaths associated with it in the United States. Would I be shocked if there are more covid-19 deaths than that? No, I wouldn't... But the thing that matters is we made absolutely no restrictions during that year, but now we are shutting down the world for something on the same level. Even if there were four times as many deaths, and 240,000 deaths were in the United States, it doesn't make sense to shut down the world. This is still a tiny percent of the population.
Think of it like this, if I gave you 6 pennies does that change your life and make you spend money differently? No, it doesn't. Now if I gave you 24 pennies does that change your life? No, that doesn't either. It doesn't matter that Covid-19 is 'worse' than the flu, they are both still very negligible.
You do remember swine flu turned into a big scandal right?
A good question here is why has the corporate media that would eventually expose the 2009 scandal fail to inform readers today that the exact same corrupt interests are leading the COVID-19 response?
Reality and Truth wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
What are you guys gonna say when that 12,800 number does pass the 24,000 number? You realize that the 12,800 have occurred mostly in two weeks while the 24,000 was over the course of a whole year?
I just don't see how any intelligent person could look at the last two weeks and still point to the cumulative number when the virus wasn't even in our country until February, and obviously takes some time to get widespread. It's done half the damage the flu has in about 1/7th the amount of time..
That 24,000 is excess mortality.
To get the comparable number for Covid 19, divide by 3 or possible even by up to 10.
Garbage speculation and wishful thinking. There is just as much evidence that COVID-19 is underreported as overreported, and when others cite the uptick in excess mortality in the last couple months in Spain and Italy you all brush it off.
Believe whatever you want to believe. Just don't be self-righteous about it. You are speculating even more than the people taking the official numbers as fact.
The (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from H1N1 viruses that were circulating at the time of the pandemic. Few young people had any existing immunity (as detected by antibody response) to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus, but nearly one-third of people over 60 years old had antibodies against this virus, likely from exposure to an older H1N1 virus earlier in their lives. Since the (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from circulating H1N1 viruses, vaccination with seasonal flu vaccines offered little cross-protection against (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection. While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.
[quote]birdbeard wrote:
the virus wasn't even in our country until February
You guys realize it was here before February, right? People were coming in and out of Wuhan way before our borders were closed to China.
Well, I'm actually in agreement with a lot the people on here. I feel awful for those that have died, and their loved ones left behind. BUT this whole thing has been so blown out of proportion, and the the anecdotal stories in the media make me sick. This whole pandemic is the best thing to happen to the media and their ratings. The way the numbers are being reported causes so much panic and fear, and has left many to not think rationally.
I'm glad that the Army of Corps of Engineers is converting buildings over the U.S. to hospitals and retired military doctors have been brought out of retirement. We need to recruit and build, and then reopen. My guess is that is what is planned for May/June. We shall see.
finallyransub17 wrote:
facts and reason wrote:
"As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season, and 45 million were infected."
Why do you put nails in your own coffin?
Do you not realize 3% of diagnosed US infections have died? extrapolate that to 45 million infections and we would have 1,350,000 deaths. In places that actually have good testing the death rate is still at or above 1%.
You have to make wild, unsupportable assumptions about the true infection & death rates in order to avoid the logical conclusion or your own argument. Reasonable people don't make wild, unsupportable assumptions.
That's bogus. You're extrapolating that projection using a "3%" rate. The rate is going to be much, much lower. A lot more people have been infected by this virus, which is very contagious and easily spread.
The experts tell us "25%-50%" of infected people are asymptomatic. And many infected have mild symptoms and self-resolve without any medical intervention where they might have been tested.
My son and I had some kind of respiratory-type illness in early Feb with symptoms of both influenza & coronavirus. My son, a 20 yr old student-athlete, had very mild symptoms and recovered in about 5 days. I took 10 days or so. Neither one of us needed medical intervention. Was it the regular flu or coronavirus? ? I also ran into several friends of mine at the gym in late Feb/early March who were also saying they weren't feeling well with flu-like symptoms. None need any medical intervention and a few continued their regular workouts with very mild symptoms. Again...seasonal flu or coronavirus?
Rueters did a survey recently coming up with an estimated figure of "7.65 million" Americans that were infected.
Divide that into the current 12,900 deaths = 0.16% case mortality rate - more akin to the seasonal flu.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-us-new-study-survey-millions-americans-infected-1494733%3famp=1Worldwide coronavirus death toll (Johns Hopkins 08APR2020 1015 EDT): 83,471
Days since first coronavirus death in Wuhan (09JAN2020): 91
Normal projected total worldwide deaths since day of the first coronavirus death: 14,967,760
Unadjusted percentage increase in deaths above normal: 0.5577%
An adjustment would allow for people who died of coronavirus who would have died for non-coronavirus reasons during the 91 days since the first coronavirus death.
You guys are all arguing over the wrong thing again and again. The issue with the coronavirus is and always has been the fact that it can overrun any healthcare system. Argue all you want about total deaths from this flu or that virus, but the stuff happening in NYC hospitals and elsewhere right now never happens in flu season. They have converted massive portions of hospitals to serve coronavirus patients. They have to reuse masks and expose workers to infection. They have trailers outside hospitals for dead bodies. This is not normal flu season. Severe cases are coming much more rapidly.
Take social distancing away, and the death rate would spike well beyond anything you have ever seen. Hospitals would not be able to handle the volume; people who could have been saved would die.
So argue whatever death statistics you want. The comparison is not relevant because social distancing doesn’t happen during regular flu season. Talk to an actual doctor or nurse working in one of these hospitals though, and they will tell you there is no comparison in volume. They don’t feel as if their own lives are at risk during flu season. They do now. It is easy for some people who work on a computer in their living room to dismiss this. It is much harder if you are the one who has to put your own health at risk to help people survive this thing.
STOPBEINGPANSIES wrote:
The Covid Cult is getting ridiculous. Mass hysteria beta orbiters.
There have been more and more citizen confirmations that (1) the hospitals are empty, not full of people dying from a harmless virus, and (2) almost all (if not all) of the covid-19 death statistics have been doctored and are not the reality.
Therefore, it appears to me that the covid-19 is (1) not killing people as has been reported in the globally owned corporate media, and (2) whether or not it's contagious (which I seriously doubt) is not such an important issue as it's been made out to be.
The real issue is that the plan-demic has been planned in advance to scare the public into agreeing to self quarantine, to give up individual rights for being in public with others, to reduce communication between people, and to implement a mass highly questionable testing of the public - leading to mass required inoculations / vaccinations, and possibly mass exterminations.
If you question any of these things, look at past posted videos both by myself and others which show government agents such as Governor Cuomo of New York, James Bullard of the Federal Reserve, and Senator Elizabeth Warren promoting the end plans stated above. Also, Bill Gates, Antonio Fauci, and Henri Kissenger have long been stating the same plan.
This is a time for all of us to stand together and to not not let them implement their dangerous plans.
The saddest part is that there could be no clearer demonstration of collusion between government and MSM to create panic and hysteria through systematic misinformation for reasons that cannot be explained.
Do people really think this is real because the news tells them it is, look, sensational journalism is not essential yet tucker gray fox and the rest report every day. Are we meant to believe they are running the entire studio by themselves. Have you seen major gatherings at press conferences for political dronings. The surgeon general said 90% of people are following stay at home rule, where is he getting this stat. 90% of middle class might be more apt.
My appeal:
Replace one hour of tv watching with reading per day, liberate yourselves
Deer Runner wrote:
You guys are all arguing over the wrong thing again and again. The issue with the coronavirus is and always has been the fact that it can overrun any healthcare system. Argue all you want about total deaths from this flu or that virus, but the stuff happening in NYC hospitals and elsewhere right now never happens in flu season. They have converted massive portions of hospitals to serve coronavirus patients. They have to reuse masks and expose workers to infection. They have trailers outside hospitals for dead bodies. This is not normal flu season. Severe cases are coming much more rapidly.
Take social distancing away, and the death rate would spike well beyond anything you have ever seen. Hospitals would not be able to handle the volume; people who could have been saved would die.
So argue whatever death statistics you want. The comparison is not relevant because social distancing doesn’t happen during regular flu season. Talk to an actual doctor or nurse working in one of these hospitals though, and they will tell you there is no comparison in volume. They don’t feel as if their own lives are at risk during flu season. They do now. It is easy for some people who work on a computer in their living room to dismiss this. It is much harder if you are the one who has to put your own health at risk to help people survive this thing.
Agree...hospitals are overwhelmed and the system is ready to implode. But who in the hell's fault is that? It sure as hell isn't our fault!
Where in the hell was the CDC when all this started? They are supposed to have expert virus hunters (i.e."CDC-CIA") spread out all over the world (especially in China!) looking to detect any potential dangerous pathogens. Were they sleeping on the job and wasting tax player's money?!? (imagine that). They're paid to do a job and be on top of any potential pandemic!
What about the WHO and the crap that was going on with that corrupt agency? And what about the misinformation and cover-up by China? Heads should be rolling! The CDC should be dismantled and everyone fired!China needs to be severely delt with and should be forced to make reparations for all the damage they've done. It's time for this administration to quit being softies and initiate an investigation into this holding people, agencies & nations accountable for the damn mess they got us into!?