Why are 50 percent of the virus deaths in NY/NJ? Any ideas why Chicago and LA have not blown up?

No. Doing nothing would have been the best thing for our country. We are sacrificing the many to save the few instead of sacrificing the few tonsave the many. When the few are famous actors or pro athletes or congressmen, that is what happens. The many are the unfortunate working class who always get screwed. Most of you are too far removed from factory workers or waitresses or barbers to understand what makes the country run.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

smarter than a dummy wrote:

Everyone will get infected so stop freaking out. You either get it now or get it later. Better to get it over with quickly so that fewer people suffer the consequences of isolation and unemployment which cause suicide, crime, drug and alcohol overdose, and violent crime.

no one is freaking out. you're just proving how dumb america is.

other countries are stating that all people should be tested, and their approach was aggressive and proactive, which is why they are controlling their curve.

It is better to overreact than to underreact, that way you know you have done everything . This is what other countries are doing. But we will learn again by our negligence and apathy.

You really don't believe that China has tested everyone in their country, do you?

What if I get tested today and find out I'm negative, but catch it tomorrow and later spread the virus? Should I be tested every day? Don't you see the problem with this?

JB should have Madigan in charge of cooking the books on the virus in order to get a federal bailout of the long-failed Illinois and Chicago pension systems. Just copy the names off the gravestones at the cemeteries on 111th as all dying of the virus. Keep the list handy so that the same “voters” will be around for the November election.

Sad, Frustrated Coach wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

no one is freaking out. you're just proving how dumb america is.

other countries are stating that all people should be tested, and their approach was aggressive and proactive, which is why they are controlling their curve.

It is better to overreact than to underreact, that way you know you have done everything . This is what other countries are doing. But we will learn again by our negligence and apathy.

You really don't believe that China has tested everyone in their country, do you?

What if I get tested today and find out I'm negative, but catch it tomorrow and later spread the virus? Should I be tested every day? Don't you see the problem with this?

I'm going to post this again to see if you pick up on it .......after that I'm done posting to you because you're just not going to get it( glad you're not in medicine). I capitalized the main sentence of the paragraph.

"testing in the general population will continue to elicit a much clearer picture of the actual spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in Iceland." Some of the revelations have been stark. Although fewer than 1% of the tests came back positive for the virus, the company's founder Dr. Kári Stefánsson told CNN that around 50% of those who tested positive said they were asymptomatic, confirming multiple studies that show that asymptomatic, or mildly symptomatic, people have played an important role in spreading the virus.

"WHAT IT MEANS IN MY MIND, IS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE SCREENING THE GENERAL POPULATION, WE ARE CATCHING PEOPLE EARLY IN THE INFECTION BEFORE THE START SHOWING SYMPTOMS," Stefánsson said.

To deal with a pandemic you have to know who is infected.....period. And this is why you will see our numbers blow other numbers out of the water, as asymptomatic people continue to walk around spreading it.

March 18th, 2020

Coronavirus cluster in NYC Hasidic community confirmed

A cluster of positive coronavirus cases was confirmed among Jewish orthodox communities in Borough Park and Williamsburg on Wednesday as their Satmar Rebbe issued an edict to close all religious buildings, The Post has learned.

A rep for Asisa Urgent Care, which caters predominantly to the Hasidic community, told The Post Wednesday they had 243 positive cases from three Brooklyn locations.

The news comes as two videos emerged late Tuesday showing members of the Orthodox Jewish community and the Hasidic community openly defying social distancing orders by hosting crowded, raucous weddings.

New York State Commissioner of Health Howard Zucker said they are “looking into” the possible cluster in Borough Park but staff for Governor Andrew Cuomo declined to say anything further, citing an ongoing investigation.

The alarming number of positive results came from a total, so far, of 481 tests, at the three urgent care centers. About 98 to 99 percent of those tested were from the orthodox community, the rep said.

The rep added that “the numbers are only getting higher.”

Two of the health facilities are in Borough Park, the other is in Williamsburg, where the rep said the majority of the cases are.

“The Williamsburg rate is higher. They’re more infected over there,” the rep said.

As of Wednesday night, there were a total of 1,871 cases in the Big Apple, meaning the orthodox community accounts for about 13% of the city’s positive of the positive test results.

Cuomo has been slow to react.

NYC has a huge homeless population that is uncared for and uncontrolled.

bob888 wrote:

I have no idea why all the damage seems to be in NY area...any ideas??? Wouldnt Chicago, NY,SF, be just the same ??

On Labour Day, (I am talking about May 1st, 2020), let's wait for these States;

1. Louisiana

2. Georgia

3. South Carolina

4. Florida

5. Perhaps one or two more......

They'll be badly hit.

By then, New York will be plateauing.

It could even happen earlier. Just wait. Lord forbid.

If everyone acts as if they are infected and treat everyone they come in contact with as if they are infected, wouldn't that also help?

Bad Wigins wrote:

It could all, literally, be a simple matter of reporting deaths with the virus vs deaths because of the virus. Those who do the former will have vastly inflated numbers compared to the latter.

You are a useless, stupid piece of sh*t. I flabbergasted as to why you are not banned yet. I hope no one's life depends on you in the real world because your low intelligence is so dangerous.

Yes. But you could do a much more precise separation of infected an not infected people if you could test everyone. Infected people get isolated (or hospitalized if bad) or until they test negative twice. Non-infected people, after that is assessed by isolation beyond incubation period and a negative test, can go back to work and get the economy back going, with some restrictions like masks.

This won't work when cases are growing so fast and testing capacity is low because your non-infected people can get infected while the infected people are still out and about asymptomatically spreading the virus. But in a place like South Korea, where they were rigorously testing and contact tracing, when the numbers were low to do that work, they could keep the infected from getting others infected. Other countries will have to wait until the new cases peak and finally drop down to a manageable number where there is enough manpower and testing capability to do it capably.

If Alaska and Hawaii could ramp up their testing and contact tracing capabilities, they could potentially be the first states out of this mess because their total cases isn't overwhelming yet and they are geographically isolated. Of course they would have to continue requiring people coming in those states (only one main highway into Alaska) to self quarantine for 14 days. They should increase strictness on that quarantine by requiring monitoring, such as with location tracking ap on a smartphone and symptom/fever check 2x a day.

I appreciate your thoughts, but if we just look at your thoughts about the residents in Alaska. Think how difficult it would be to test EVERYONE. Just from a logistics consideration. Why test those who have not left their area, have not came in contact with anyone outside of their area, and are showing no symptoms? Why not ask them to think and act like anyone and everyone thing they come in contact with outside of their household could be infected?

Sad, Frustrated Coach wrote:

I appreciate your thoughts, but if we just look at your thoughts about the residents in Alaska. Think how difficult it would be to test EVERYONE. Just from a logistics consideration. Why test those who have not left their area, have not came in contact with anyone outside of their area, and are showing no symptoms? Why not ask them to think and act like anyone and everyone thing they come in contact with outside of their household could be infected?

I'm actually in Alaska. Freight and mail is still being shipped into bush communities, though the main air carrier just bailed out yesterday and is causing a big disruption. You don't necessarily have to test everyone, especially since you don't want to bring testers into bush communities. The native communities in western Alaska were hit really hard in the 1919, with many villages abandoned they lost so many people (6 people left in one village, 8 people left in another that had 80). Their descendants are well aware that they could be wiped out like their great grandparents (or the Aztecs) so they shut people out a few weeks ago.

After this initial shelter in place order, if Alaska aggressively contact traces and the numbers stay low, and we don't let anyone in who hasn't been quarantined, we will get out if it relatively well, though the tourist economy will be down the tubes.

Like I said in the previous post, the main idea of testing is so you can decide what to do with people, including letting those that are definitely not sick (not just asymptomatic) get back out of the house. It's that what people want?

The real solution is to open the doors and get everyone outside and get everyone working. Let people decide if they want to lock away. That is how a free society operates. It allows for so many more resources that are being lost by people not working. It also develops herd immunity quickly. We will quickly destroy our interconnected system of supply. The Government will control everything because it will have to be rationed. We will be worse than current communist countries. Many citizens are actually asking for this to happen, all because the Government convinced them that this virus is the great evil that will kill all.

smarter than a dummy wrote:

The real solution is to open the doors and get everyone outside and get everyone working. Let people decide if they want to lock away. That is how a free society operates. It allows for so many more resources that are being lost by people not working. It also develops herd immunity quickly. We will quickly destroy our interconnected system of supply. The Government will control everything because it will have to be rationed. We will be worse than current communist countries. Many citizens are actually asking for this to happen, all because the Government convinced them that this virus is the great evil that will kill all.

Because the ivy educated NYT board of editors wouldn’t like it.

It's worth noting that New York state has more than double the deaths of Germany with less than 1/4 the population. The truth is they acted late (and no, that's not the federal government's fault) and allowed large events, Broadway and large gatherings to take place knowing there was a risk:

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/02/09/lunar-new-year-parade-chinatown-coronavirus/

Couple that with the high reliance on public transportation and you have all of the elements for an epidemic. New Orleans is in a similar situation due to Mardi Gras:

https://www.wwltv.com/article/entertainment/events/mardi-gras/watch-live-new-orleans-celebrates-mardi-gras-2020/289-8d2fca67-5ad8-4274-a3d7-a8c867ec681c

Hind sight is a mfer

That's because LA held the marathon on March 8 despite coronavirus fears. If you show the virus you're not afraid of it, you don't get the disease.

The questions I want to ask for each of the posters calling for no social distancing and just allowing for people to get sick are these:

1) if it results in someone you know dying of the illness, are you okay with that?

2) if it results in you dying of the illness are you okay with that?

3) if you or someone you know ends up needing emergency medical care but the hospital has no room for you due to Covid-19 bed occupancy, and you die as a result, are you okay with that?

If you answered yes to any of these it would be easy to assume you are already ignoring recommendations.

Personally I don’t love this situation either, but with so many unknowns in terms of what this virus can do, and on the first-hand experiences of the seasoned folks I know in the medical field, the temporary suffering is outweighed by the greater good.

diii alum wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

It could all, literally, be a simple matter of reporting deaths with the virus vs deaths because of the virus. Those who do the former will have vastly inflated numbers compared to the latter.

You are a useless, stupid piece of sh*t. I flabbergasted as to why you are not banned yet. I hope no one's life depends on you in the real world because your low intelligence is so dangerous.

Seconding. Wigins, you're an empty, embarrassing sh!t-parrot. What the f*ck do you know about this? "With" vs. "of"? You're an idiot of the worst, ugliest sort.

zzzz wrote:

After this initial shelter in place order, if Alaska aggressively contact traces and the numbers stay low, and we don't let anyone in who hasn't been quarantined, we will get out if it relatively well, though the tourist economy will be down the tubes.

Like I said in the previous post, the main idea of testing is so you can decide what to do with people, including letting those that are definitely not sick (not just asymptomatic) get back out of the house. It's that what people want?

I'm guessing you mean "Isn't that what people want?"??

How sure are we that those that test negative for the test aren't carriers but just not at the point yet that shows up on the test? Are we sure those that have had it and have recovered can't catch it again? Are we absolutely sure how it is transmitted and how it can be caught?