Trump says US Could Re-open in 2 weeks.

semsurrrrrr wrote:

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

You idiot.

You're being disingenuous. People die from Advil too, should I post those stats?

Why won't you show the significantly higher number of people who have recovered because of the drug?

It hasn't been proven to work!!! The President of the United States should not be touting a miracle cure to a dangerous virus THAT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN TO WORK!!! The existing evidence that cloroquine is effective against the coronavirus is thin and the drug has serious side effects. You can't just tell people it works and to go ingest some of it willy nilly. Trump is directly responsible for that person dying.

Why is that such a crazy idea?

There were ~100 deaths today, about half as many as deaths as occur per day for the typical seasonal flu. Deaths per day trending down in U.S. and Italy. The virus seems to have already done here what viruses typically do and what Coronavirus already did in other countries, which is to initially spread fast and take down a small number who have the unfortunate physiological combination susceptible to its effects (which could be any of us here), then peter out.

Let's wait and see in a week or two. And let's not look at every day's statistics with a glass-half-empty view.

Remember that one of the reasons why Trump is so popular is because people love his "Winner-think" mentality. He was heavily influenced by the book The Power of Positive Thinking earlier in life.

zxcvzcxv wrote:

Cases in the U.S. rose by about 30% in a day, to 43,000+, slower than yesterday's 38%.

140 people died of coronavirus, an increase of 34% from the total deaths as of yesterday. At this rate, we get to a million cases in under two weeks, and in 10 days, we get to a figure of over 10,000 deaths total. If this rate increase kept up for 21 days, we'd be at 258,000 deaths! So, yes, this is a real problem.

Ummm ... What? You might want to check your math. How are we going from ~500 deaths to ~250k in 10 days?

The current rate of ~100 deaths/day is a less than 2% increase from the 7708 deaths/day. It's basically a rounding error.

zxcvzcxv wrote:

Cases in the U.S. rose by about 30% in a day, to 43,000+, slower than yesterday's 38%.

140 people died of coronavirus, an increase of 34% from the total deaths as of yesterday. At this rate, we get to a million cases in under two weeks, and in 10 days, we get to a figure of over 10,000 deaths total. If this rate increase kept up for 21 days, we'd be at 258,000 deaths! So, yes, this is a real problem.

They ran out of tests. There weren't fewer transmissions.

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

semsurrrrrr wrote:

Zinc is a powerful antiviral and chloroquine pushes it into the cells to stop replication of viruses.

Stop demonizing the President and start thinking.

https://www.axios.com/chloroquine-coronavirus-death-09c91a91-4fe7-472c-9de9-79b890aa8fff.html

You idiot.

If you think you made an intelligent rebuttal then you would be the idiot.

The deceased died from ingested fish tank cleaner.

Of course your fake news source failed to mention that. But anyone above moran level would have suspected something was off with the story as reported.

The actual drug has been taken by millions of people.

It obviously does not cause death when taken as prescribed.

jamin wrote:

zxcvzcxv wrote:

Cases in the U.S. rose by about 30% in a day, to 43,000+, slower than yesterday's 38%.

140 people died of coronavirus, an increase of 34% from the total deaths as of yesterday. At this rate, we get to a million cases in under two weeks, and in 10 days, we get to a figure of over 10,000 deaths total. If this rate increase kept up for 21 days, we'd be at 258,000 deaths! So, yes, this is a real problem.

Ummm ... What? You might want to check your math. How are we going from ~500 deaths to ~250k in 10 days?

The current rate of ~100 deaths/day is a less than 2% increase from the 7708 deaths/day. It's basically a rounding error.

He didn't say 250k deaths in 10 days.

According to many scientific experts -- I know, experts = bad -- the risk of inaction, or lackluster action, poses too great a risk.

You tools looking at the data and saying "hey man, doesn't seem that bad to me" still haven't grasped the somewhat simple concept of an exponential despite countless people's futile efforts to explain it in a way even an average 5 year old could understand.

If it only kills 50 thousand people, that's bad, but we'll probably consider that a win.

We should be taking simple, reasonable steps to mitigate the risks -- "just in case." Only a frail and brittle economy (America, I'm looking at you!) that can't handle even minor disruptions would think such precautions an existential risk, which says more about your society than the virus.

There is a lot wrong with places like America. I am increasingly skeptical of our ability to sustain organized human activity when we have chosen to put in power swines and swindlers who weaponize irrationality.

Last night my family members and I wrote down our predictions for when things would significant;y turn the other way wrt hunkering down. I said start by late this week or into next week we would be going there. We will.

I'm sure Pearl Harbour was just a hoax, too, in what passes for Trump's mind. But to Trump "a day that will live in infamy" is anyone's criticism of him for anything. Clarity of thought and expression, which is what people would expect of their leader in a crisis, is clearly not in the arsenal of this "wartime leader" - just more of the same waffling blame that is his go-to position. Americans were fortunate to have FDR; what would he make of the duplicitous fool that now occupies the same office?

I think this is the smartest thing Trump has said this whole crisis. So it was probably accidental.

But 2 weeks is the perfect time frame that is short enough to get people to hunker down and comply, but long enough for the impact to be seen and felt in the stats and at the hospitals.

Right now many people are skeptical of shutdown measures, but hopefully in 2 weeks everyone will see why they must continue and there will be no more deniers left. Except on the LRC boards of course.

15 days ago: 541 cases in the USA total. Today: 582 deaths.

Today: 46,000 cases. 15 days from now: how many deaths?

The US will sure re-open in a couple of weeks, if Trump goes ahead. It will re-open to the virus. Let's hear it for the "war-time" leader.

@fartholemew wrote:

In Trump We Trust wrote:

All you TDSers be sure to tell your doctor you don't want the Trump cure if you get the virus.

Better dead than have to admit it works.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/

Key words in that story: "Florida man".

So you're going to make a health decision on a New York Post article about a Florida man claiming something about drugs said by Trump was true. Good luck with that.

I’d sit tight on Florida mans claims, he wasn’t even on a ventilator.

What is going on is that Trump defenders, who are of varying degrees of intelligence, are attempting to revise things he has said and done to make it seem that he is unfairly being treated.

All you have to do is bypass all the revisions and spins, the second-hand interpretations, look at the record of the things in question, each by itself, and open-mindedly evaluate what is in front of you. All this secondary and tertiary give and take is just further fogging the actual events and statements.

Go to the original statements, look at the vids, behold the man and what he is and what he has wrought.

Just get away from all this interpretation, look at, listen to the man himself and form your own honest impression.

Do you respect, admire him, believe he is an honest, decent president with the welfare of the country as his priority?

Do you see him as a trustworthy, intelligent, empathetic human being? A worthy president?

China spread it wrote:

Kvothe wrote:

cuz ppl in the US go around without washing their hands... China got it under control (if they did) by brutally quarantining their population. Without that quarantine, this thing goes on for months, or without a vaccine, a lifetime.

The quarantine where 5 million people left Wuhan? The quarantine where thousands of Wuhan's citizens flew to northern Italy to work in the sweat shops?

Besides which, correlation/causation fallacy. Just because the Chinese did that doesn't mean it worked. Like I mentioned already, they thought they were dealing with SARS-1 initially.

Statistical studies are emerging showing that what really happened was millions of Wuhan residents ended up infected and the virus died out because of that. Quarantine is pointless in any case at that level. Might as well try to quarantine the common cold, which a coronavirus is.

Fairly entertaining game...

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States has, as of now, only 129 cases and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 13: [Declared state of emergency]

March 17: “This is a pandemic,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Badmathwigins can barely count his own digits. A few days ago he mentioned how hospitals would have to flip for the covid patients based on 5 percent growth. Dude has zero idea how to combine math and science. Probably went to school in rural Kansas.

April 6th says my company, we go back to work.

Facts Matter wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

The data shows that USA are going to be higher than Italy and probably China (not that one can believe china has come to a sudden halt)

What data, show us. You can't just say that the data shows something without showing the data. Please materialize this data that shows the US is going to be higher than Italy.

I have listed and example of the data you should be looking in the post you are quoting, and I have previously (several times) listed the actual data.

Do you want me to spoon feed you.

The data is fluid, go and look at it at the time of your leisure.