Crooked Hillary wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Don’t worry, Elon. You’re not brave enough to call out the prez. But we are.
Good grief, do I have to encounter this moronic Commie on every thread I visit? Wish the old fascist would stick to slandering that Canadian ultra runner. Well, that and worshipping at his Stalin shrine.
brave !!!!
somebody slap that guy, it would be a quick KO,
Elon Musk builds cars. Why would you listen to him when highly experienced medical scientists tell you a different story?
People also need to stop citing the number of deaths from this virus. You are pulling numbers for a couple of weeks of data in the US, which, by the way, has been artificially suppressed by the selfish incompetence of the current President administration.
This is the beginning of the spread, not the total. If society "freaking out" a little and taking rational measures to reduce the spread keeps those numbers lower, then great. That's the whole point.
Lastly, not all "young people" are unaffected by this. Some are directly affected by severe illness. Many more are affected by family and community members being severely ill or dying. This is about more than any individual and people should all be thinking about the role they play in their communities. Either you are perpetuating this, or you are helping prevent it. Get on the right side of history.
If car crashes were on an exponential rise then he would have a point.
But they're not.
Hi Elon,
Nothing to worry about, buddy!
When this virus stops going around, I’m sure our first thought will be, “I’m buying an electric sports car!”
COVID-19 is a public health emergency and global pandemic whose growth has gone exponential. Due to a lack of coherent, moral, informed national leadership under Trump, we do not have enough testing kits even though we have known this virus was extremely dangerous for over two months, so we do not know how many people have it in the US, but it is a lot more than the "reported" cases. Anyone saying "I'm young and healthy, it won't impact me," has no clue what they're talking about. Have you ever gotten this virus before? No? Then how do you know for a fact how it will affect you? Young people in China, Italy, and Korea have been put in intensive care and died from this virus--why do you assume you're different? And if you get it, the symptoms are mild, you ignore it, you pass it to ten other people, and one of those people dies, do you understand that you bear responsibility for the suffering of others?
Talk to your friends who are nurses and doctors: ICUs are about to get slammed, they already are slammed in Seattle, and people are going to die needlessly as a result because we don't have the capacity--ventilators, etc.--to save others. Read what is happening in northern Italy. It is a nightmare. The only country that has gotten the virus under control is China, and it required a national shutdown of three months and extreme measures--new hospitals built within days, body temperature scanners before you can enter the grocery store, working from home, no contact with others. Listen to experts, not to Trump and his morally bankrupt sycophants. Everyone needs to stay inside and go out as minimally as possible, period.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
Earlier this morning I ran the numbers and came up with exactly what you did. Using 380mm people in the USA that's about 7600 infections. The USA is only at 1300 now. The published predictions are psychotic fantasy.
cfg wrote:
COVID-19 is a public health emergency and global pandemic whose growth has gone exponential. Due to a lack of coherent, moral, informed national leadership under Trump, we do not have enough testing kits even though we have known this virus was extremely dangerous for over two months, so we do not know how many people have it in the US, but it is a lot more than the "reported" cases. Anyone saying "I'm young and healthy, it won't impact me," has no clue what they're talking about. Have you ever gotten this virus before? No? Then how do you know for a fact how it will affect you? Young people in China, Italy, and Korea have been put in intensive care and died from this virus--why do you assume you're different? And if you get it, the symptoms are mild, you ignore it, you pass it to ten other people, and one of those people dies, do you understand that you bear responsibility for the suffering of others?
Talk to your friends who are nurses and doctors: ICUs are about to get slammed, they already are slammed in Seattle, and people are going to die needlessly as a result because we don't have the capacity--ventilators, etc.--to save others. Read what is happening in northern Italy. It is a nightmare. The only country that has gotten the virus under control is China, and it required a national shutdown of three months and extreme measures--new hospitals built within days, body temperature scanners before you can enter the grocery store, working from home, no contact with others. Listen to experts, not to Trump and his morally bankrupt sycophants. Everyone needs to stay inside and go out as minimally as possible, period.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
Well said.
alien observer wrote:
Earlier this morning I ran the numbers and came up with exactly what you did. Using 380mm people in the USA that's about 7600 infections. The USA is only at 1300 now. The published predictions are psychotic fantasy.
Alien observer, you "ran the numbers," eh? Which numbers did you run? The number of positive tests that have been reported? That number is a farce that has been artificially repressed. People with symptoms are being denied tests if they cannot state clearly that they have come in contact with a known case of this virus. Trump purposely rejected WHO testing and limited the scope of testing here so it would look good, like those fruits and vegetables in the windows of North Korean grocery stores in the fictional movie The Interview.
Your "numbers" are real only in the mind of a President who is living in a fantasy world in which his narcissistic orange head is the only thing that matters. Do you live in that world, too? If so, you are complicit in morally reprehensible behavior.
Elon simply said coronavirus panic is dumb. And of course panic is dumb. It's illogical to buy 50 rolls of TP. But it's perfectly logical to close things down to stop the spread. And it's completely irresponsible to make a statement like this, since the idiot's interpretation is to just continue life as normal. By the way, Elon also thinks AI will destroy the world so yeah... your hero's a doomsday prepper.
And for the millionth time, the issue is how deadly the coronavirus is to OLD people, and how young people can transmit it to them without showing symptoms. If you don't care about old people, then sorry your grandparents don't love you. No need to take it out on everyone else's families.
Piano_Man87 wrote:
About 3300 people die of car crashes every single day. 5600 deaths total from Covid-19.
0.0005% of the Chinese population got infected with Covid-19.
Most cases of it are mild.
Everyone needs to just relax.
but those 5600 deaths or whatever theyll be are preventable.
Tower Porklets wrote:
If car crashes were on an exponential rise then he would have a point.
But they're not.
Pedestrian deaths are.
https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/pedestrian-fatalities-us-roads-hit-almost-30-year-highI can't believe I agree with you on this
bruhski wrote:
Piano_Man87 wrote:
About 3300 people die of car crashes every single day. 5600 deaths total from Covid-19.
0.0005% of the Chinese population got infected with Covid-19.
Most cases of it are mild.
Everyone needs to just relax.
but those 5600 deaths or whatever theyll be are preventable.
The 3300 deaths every day from car crashes are also preventable and would save a lot more lives than this dumb coronavirus panicking. Just ban all cars to save those 3300 deaths everyday right? The fact is that people die all the time and to shut down society for the coronavirus flu is dumb. Way to kill economy and all means of production that actually keep you alive.
alien observer wrote: Earlier this morning I ran the numbers and came up with exactly what you did. Using 380mm people in the USA that's about 7600 infections. The USA is only at 1300 now. The published predictions are psychotic fantasy.
It's OK everybody. This random guy on a message board who calls himself "alien observer" says he "ran" the numbers. So we're good. Back to normal, everybody.
I don't know anything about science, but my gut tells me the final death toll won't be nearly as bad as many people are predicting.
I am pretty well read in history, however. People like Robespierre, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc... thought they had it all figured out. All they had to do was crush the reactionaries and bend the mob to their will. Self-righteousness oozed from their every orifice, kind of like the people here gleefully predicting Armageddon. You people scare me a lot more than the coronavirus.
Assuming the numbers posted on the John's Hopkins website are not a hoax, the mortality of this virus is right around 3.8%. Maybe this number is higher that it really should be because of lack of early testing, which selects for only the sickest cases to be tested. But that has started to change in the last couple weeks (more people being tested in many countries) and the mortality rate is not really coming down much. The mortality in Italy is especially high. So based on the information we have available now, optimistic estimates place the mortality at 2-3%.
It is true that 167K deaths is tiny compared to the global population, and many other causes of death.
However, this virus appears to spread at least as easily as the flu. As of the end of February, there have been 15 million cases of the flu in the US. There will probably be at least 20 million flu cases before the season is over. If we did nothing, and let the coronavirus spread through the population just like the flu, we can assume the same number of cases, which would result in 400,000 to 600,000 deaths in the USA alone. This is the most optimistic estimate of how this would play out if we just went on with business as usual.
More likely there would be a million deaths or much more as the health care system is overwhelmed and can't treat people for coronavirus and all the other life threatening disease that are going on. This many deaths is enough to disrupt the economy even if we did nothing. So, in order to be safer than sorry, it makes sense to take these drastic steps to halt the disease now.
Shut things down now to slow the spread. Then slowly open things up after a couple weeks so the spread can be dealt with in a more controlled way. You see how much people panic just thinking they might be quarantined in their house for 2 weeks. imaging if this virus actually started killing a million or more people, how people would react. Stop going to work out of fear. Vital industries such down. Real supply line disruption. A little bit of panic now can prevent a much more devastating panic later.
And BTW, Elon Musk is a fraud. He hasn't accomplished anything except trick people into buying overpriced EV, and land a few rockets back onto a launch pad. Big Deal. SpaceX isn't going to Mars or even sending an astronaut into low earth orbit any time soon if ever.
celery wrote:
And BTW, Elon Musk is a fraud. He hasn't accomplished anything except trick people into buying overpriced EV, and land a few rockets back onto a launch pad. Big Deal. SpaceX isn't going to Mars or even sending an astronaut into low earth orbit any time soon if ever.
It's the hair.
https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/elon.jpg?quality=80&strip=allDur wrote:
He's likely wrong. If left unchecked, this thing would easily kill 40,000 americans. That's just math.
In 2017, 40,327 Americans died by car crash, 1.25 million worldwide.
So according to YOU, Musk is right.
Dur wrote:
I'd give up a million americans to get Boston back.
You're a psychopath.
For once NNT is actually right about something:
https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1239243622916259841
Obviously the immediate risk to any individual is small, much smaller than other risks we willingly take daily.
These risks aren't systemic, but covid-19 certainly is.
It takes like 8th grade reasoning skills to understand how something that is a minimal individual risk can still represent a huge threat writ large.
