ryanv wrote:
The flu has a 0.1% mortality rate. COVID is 20-40x as lethal (2-4%). That's the difference.
That's total nonsense.
ryanv wrote:
The flu has a 0.1% mortality rate. COVID is 20-40x as lethal (2-4%). That's the difference.
That's total nonsense.
Omg I just now discovered a corona type virus variant that's infecting the bottom of the ocean!
Run for the hills everyone!
https://yubanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/blobid2_1571444297091.jpg
Bevause they think trump will get blamed for any issues...
The narrative is that people are either totally in denial or they are hysterical.
I went to Costco and bought a few big bags of trail mix, some medicine, a solar battery charger and a few other items. I consider the purchase rational, cheap, and proactive.
Let me know if you consider this hysterical. When you think of the sh”t people do for Black Friday, I guess in response to the threat of over-paying for consumer goods, the Covid stuff seems quite sensible.
TMADDOX wrote:
I have posted previously that I feel the media, in many instances, has over hyped this virus which is causing panic in some. I don't currently think the virus is a Spanish flu type disaster, but has the potential to be bad. I am taking precautions such as washing my hands frequently; avoiding crowded areas as much as possible; and be cognizant not to touch my face. In my opinion, with some, this bad vs not so virus has evolved into a Right vs Left issue (which is insane).
The only reason it may not be a Spanish flu type of disaster is BECAUSE of the media. The media attention has forced large the virus’s worst potential outcomes into our collective consciousness and that will be our saving grace.
We’ve been canceling events, schools, etc, without these things, Spanish flu.
dunes runner wrote:
ryanv wrote:
The flu has a 0.1% mortality rate. COVID is 20-40x as lethal (2-4%). That's the difference.
That's total nonsense.
What’s nonsense?
Through the doom and gloom I can't help but laugh that the CDC is recommending all of the remaining presidential candidates stay at home as much as possible and avoid crowds.
OBE wrote:
The only reason it may not be a Spanish flu type of disaster is BECAUSE of the media. The media attention has forced large the virus’s worst potential outcomes into our collective consciousness and that will be our saving grace.
We’ve been canceling events, schools, etc, without these things, Spanish flu.
The Spanish flu was caused by terrible air pollution, not a virus.
All the current hysteria is making the situation worse, not better, and more people are dying because of it.
It seems like a flu-like virus that has 1) possibly higher severe illness rates (requiring hospitalization) than normal seasonal flu strains and 2) faces basically zero immunity at all (c.f. with flu vaccines + previous exposure immunity).
This has the potential to overwhelm hospital systems with lots of severe respiratory illness, even if the absolute fatality rate and severe illness rate isn't that high
More fake news reports wrote:
OBE wrote:
The only reason it may not be a Spanish flu type of disaster is BECAUSE of the media. The media attention has forced large the virus’s worst potential outcomes into our collective consciousness and that will be our saving grace.
We’ve been canceling events, schools, etc, without these things, Spanish flu.
The Spanish flu was caused by terrible air pollution, not a virus.
All the current hysteria is making the situation worse, not better, and more people are dying because of it.
What hysteria has called “more people” to die?
Caused*
i have friends from all over the world, china, thailand, germany, south america, etc.
not one has personal experience with a single case within their circle.
zero.
however, i'm led to believe that some areas of china were hit, they say its clearing up ..
the problem is with the internet, tv, and you people. mainstream lamestream if just fake, or 10 buck an hour writers feeding actors lines to read, or AP printouts. here you have jass haters that feel their goal in life is to waste people's time, then you have the college people educated in quackademia who feel they can talk about any subject with certainty, while never having any experience what so ever.
you make up sheit, you guess, you theorize, with a puny brain.
and when someone has some accurate news, and is smart, your bsbsbs bullcrud diatribe
gets in the way.
i spent 8 years off the grid in the middle of no where, and the locals did not talk about things that they didn't know about. they did not have your disease, to go bla bla bla, = nothing
but then again people are people, and in the west, you learn verbal dairrea.
of course you need to go off the grid to see your disease,
your disease is not the corona virus, you are screwed up in the head.
wetfoot wrote:
This is good news, from a doctor.
He thinks the data from the cruise ship indicate a mortality rate of below 1% and only old people.
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But the most straightforward and compelling evidence that the true case fatality rate of SARS-CoV-2 is well under 1 percent comes not from statistical trends and methodological massage, but from data from the Diamond Princess cruise outbreak and subsequent quarantine off the coast of Japan.
A quarantined boat is an ideal—if unfortunate—natural laboratory to study a virus. Many variables normally impossible to control are controlled. We know that all but one patient boarded the boat without the virus. We know that the other passengers were healthy enough to travel. We know their whereabouts and exposures. While the numbers coming out of China are scary, we don’t know how many of those patients were already ill for other reasons. How many were already hospitalized for another life-threatening illness and then caught the virus? How many were completely healthy, caught the virus, and developed a critical illness? In the real world, we just don’t know.
Here’s the problem with looking at mortality numbers in a general setting: In China, 9 million people die per year, which comes out to 25,000 people every single day, or around 1.5 million people over the past two months alone. A significant fraction of these deaths results from diseases like emphysema/COPD, lower respiratory infections, and cancers of the lung and airway whose symptoms are clinically indistinguishable from the nonspecific symptoms seen in severe COVID-19 cases. And, perhaps unsurprisingly, the death rate from COVID-19 in China spiked precisely among the same age groups in which these chronic diseases first become common. During the peak of the outbreak in China in January and early February, around 25 patients per day were dying with SARS-CoV-2. Most were older patients in whom the chronic diseases listed above are prevalent. Most deaths occurred in Hubei province, an area in which lung cancer and emphysema/COPD are significantly higher than national averages in China, a country where half of all men smoke. How were doctors supposed to sort out which of those 25 out of 25,000 daily deaths were solely due to coronavirus, and which were more complicated? What we need to know is how many excess deaths this virus causes.
This is where the Diamond Princess data provides important insight. Of the 3,711 people on board, at least 705 have tested positive for the virus (which, considering the confines, conditions, and how contagious this virus appears to be, is surprisingly low). Of those, more than half are asymptomatic, while very few asymptomatic people were detected in China. This alone suggests a halving of the virus’s true fatality rate.
On the Diamond Princess, six deaths have occurred among the passengers, constituting a case fatality rate of 0.85 percent. Unlike the data from China and elsewhere, where sorting out why a patient died is extremely difficult, we can assume that these are excess fatalities—they wouldn’t have occurred but for SARS-CoV-2. The most important insight is that all six fatalities occurred in patients who are more than 70 years old. Not a single Diamond Princess patient under age 70 has died. If the numbers from reports out of China had held, the expected number of deaths in those under 70 should have been around four.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-rate-lower-than-we-think.html
^This!
Thanks for the info. Finally some sensible facts to all this hysteria and paranoia.
longjack wrote:
i have friends from all over the world, china, thailand, germany, south america, etc.
not one has personal experience with a single case within their circle.
zero.
however, i'm led to believe that some areas of china were hit, they say its clearing up ..
the problem is with the internet, tv, and you people. mainstream lamestream if just fake, or 10 buck an hour writers feeding actors lines to read, or AP printouts. here you have jass haters that feel their goal in life is to waste people's time, then you have the college people educated in quackademia who feel they can talk about any subject with certainty, while never having any experience what so ever.
you make up sheit, you guess, you theorize, with a puny brain.
and when someone has some accurate news, and is smart, your bsbsbs bullcrud diatribe
gets in the way.
i spent 8 years off the grid in the middle of no where, and the locals did not talk about things that they didn't know about. they did not have your disease, to go bla bla bla, = nothing
but then again people are people, and in the west, you learn verbal dairrea.
of course you need to go off the grid to see your disease,
your disease is not the corona virus, you are screwed up in the head.
Basically the only media coverage I’ve seen of it are facts - China going into lockdown, markets dropping, schools closing, events canceling. The media didn’t do this, they reported it happening. I haven’t even seen hysterics or people buying out bottled water, etc. The only hysterics I’ve seen are people getting mad that the virus exists and throwing a fit anytime someone mentions it. Heaven forbid everybody washes their hands and at least for a while be cautious about large gatherings in enclosed spaces. Oh the humanity, mainstream media conspiracy hands-washers do it again.
OBE wrote:
TMADDOX wrote:
I have posted previously that I feel the media, in many instances, has over hyped this virus which is causing panic in some. I don't currently think the virus is a Spanish flu type disaster, but has the potential to be bad. I am taking precautions such as washing my hands frequently; avoiding crowded areas as much as possible; and be cognizant not to touch my face. In my opinion, with some, this bad vs not so virus has evolved into a Right vs Left issue (which is insane).
The only reason it may not be a Spanish flu type of disaster is BECAUSE of the media. The media attention has forced large the virus’s worst potential outcomes into our collective consciousness and that will be our saving grace.
We’ve been canceling events, schools, etc, without these things, Spanish flu.
Or it won’t be the Spanish Flu because 75% of adult men aren’t returning home from years of living in rat and feces covered trench’s in the French countryside. Dope.
There once was a man from Nantucket
Who got on a cruise ship to Phuket
People were dieing
The press wasn't lieing,
.....................
Harambe wrote:
It seems like a flu-like virus that has 1) possibly higher severe illness rates (requiring hospitalization) than normal seasonal flu strains and 2) faces basically zero immunity at all (c.f. with flu vaccines + previous exposure immunity).
That's totally false and there is zero evidence to back up such a ridiculous claim.
This has the potential to overwhelm hospital systems with lots of severe respiratory illness, even if the absolute fatality rate and severe illness rate isn't that high
No, it does not. The hospital caused deaths to date have all been due to other causes, plus the usual incompetence.
It's not an issue until it affects those around you. Then it's total devastation.
Wake up. 33 STILL in serious condition from Diamond Princess. With the best health care you can get. One more died this morning. Better update the stats from that "calming" slate article.
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