Vanessa Fraser 14:48 at BU

Larry Dickman wrote:

Just a bit outside wrote:

So what. My 12 year old just ran an all-time pr in the 1500 of 4:59. Guess what, she's not going to the Olympics either.

Gwen already has a gold medal from the Olympics. You and your daughter will never have that.

Stupid comment! We never declared that we would get one. We haven't been spinning our wheels 24/7 on a pipe dream. We know there is no shot and are fine with it. You have the reasoning and analytical skills of a 3 year old.

Also the standard is 5:10.00 it isn't 5:10.98

Just a bit outside wrote:

Also the standard is 5:10.00 it isn't 5:10.98

The standard for what - your daughter's 1500 state champs?

just some real thoughts wrote:

Just a bit outside wrote:

Also the standard is 5:10.00 it isn't 5:10.98

The standard for what - your daughter's 1500 state champs?

HA!, You got me. Not sure where the "1" went but you get the idea.

15:10.00 not 15:10.98

The Trials qualifying standard is 15:20.

The Tokyo auto standard is 15:10.

Does Fraser run the 5k or 10k at trials? Both?

With 4 potential BTC women in the 10k (Infeld, Hall, Fraser, Jorgensen) they can’t all make it, although Jorgensen seems like a long shot at this point, especially if we consider the possibility of Huddle, Sisson or some others who don’t make the team in the Marathon coming back. Any chance Cragg races a 10k if healthy by then?

tally wrote:

The Trials qualifying standard is 15:20.

The Tokyo auto standard is 15:10.

I swear that people on this site have all been dropped on their heads as children!

Stan(d)ford wrote:

The Coke wrote:

Whoa- Koko!! Unless the Olympics are cancelled she's going to be a favorite for gold!

Who is Vanessa Fraser??

Big fan of the sport, huh?

Yeah right. He doesn't even know the 27th place finisher from the NCAA X-C Championships! (What kind of person mocks someone asking an honest question?)

kmaclam wrote:

Stan(d)ford wrote:

Big fan of the sport, huh?

Yeah right. He doesn't even know the 27th place finisher from the NCAA X-C Championships! (What kind of person mocks someone asking an honest question?)

3rd in the 5k outdoors, 15:20 in college, 4th at USA's in 2018 right out of college

Didn't just come out of nowhere

kmaclam wrote:

Stan(d)ford wrote:

Big fan of the sport, huh?

Yeah right. He doesn't even know the 27th place finisher from the NCAA X-C Championships! (What kind of person mocks someone asking an honest question?)

That was not an "honest question."

To "seattle track club", astute observation.

Vanessa has improved every year since walking on to Stanford 6-7 years go. Part of that is due to hardly ever being injured or sick . . . she just reads her body well and knows when to chill.

However, he one "fault" is that she just doesn't have a kick. Even in this 14:48 race today, her last 200m was only in the 34s (while Koko, for example, ran a 31+).

At the Oly Trials she not only will have to contend with Karissa but also Shannon Rowbury, Rachel Schneider and her own teammate Elise Cranny, all who beat her at USATFs last year. And, a number of 1500 runners who will double back, in some cases a big name or two who did not make top-3.

Vanessa was to run the 10k at Payton Jordan last year but bailed at the last moment due to a sore foot . . . her only race I know of since her high school days which she had to miss due to any reason.

So, yes, I do believe you will see Fraser run a 10k this spring . . . likely the Payton Jordan again . . . then do the 10k -5k double at the Trials. This will make the women's 10k extra competitive with Hall, Infeld, Gwen and a number of marathons who don't get top-3 this Saturday.

This race is the big breakthrough she's been looking for since joining BTC in summer 2018 . . . but I wouldn't go penciling her in for Tokyo just yet.

Just a bit outside wrote:

*stipe wrote:

[quote]Just a bit outside wrote:

Poor, poor, Gwen. So close but yet so far!

What a stupid thing to say. Like her or not, 15:10 is a solid time and a huge improvement.

15:10.98 is not 15:10.00.

She can celebrate her new PR in the stands of the new Hayward Field with the rest of us come June. That was the fastest 5000 she will run this year.

Mark my words, Emily Infeld makes the 10k team again. What an incredible run for someone 1 year post major surgery. Once she gets used to racing again she will be a force to be reckoned with. Congrats to Vanessa as well - huge PB.

Agreed -- Infeld is heading in the right direction, here. As long as she's healthy, she'll be making that 10k team. She always shows up when it matters most.

Not the best for Hall, today. Wonder is she's doing okay! Hope so.

If Huddle doesn't make the marathon team, I don't see how she wouldn't make the 10k team based on her experience. Same with Sisson, but I have a feeling that she is going to do quite well in Atlanta tomorrow.

Predictions:

Sisson makes marathon team, doesn't compete in 10k (or competes in 10k at the Trials, only focuses on marathon in Tokyo)

Huddle doesn't make marathon team, makes 10k team

Infeld makes 10k team

Fraser makes 10k team

Hall doesn't make 10k team

Jorgenson doesn't make 10k team

BTW, my marathon team is Sisson, Hasay, Linden, in no specific order...leaving Huddle/Infeld/Fraser on the 10k team.

Agree/disagree?

jjanderson01 wrote:

Agreed -- Infeld is heading in the right direction, here. As long as she's healthy, she'll be making that 10k team. She always shows up when it matters most.

Not the best for Hall, today. Wonder is she's doing okay! Hope so.

If Huddle doesn't make the marathon team, I don't see how she wouldn't make the 10k team based on her experience. Same with Sisson, but I have a feeling that she is going to do quite well in Atlanta tomorrow.

Predictions:

Sisson makes marathon team, doesn't compete in 10k (or competes in 10k at the Trials, only focuses on marathon in Tokyo)

Huddle doesn't make marathon team, makes 10k team

Infeld makes 10k team

Fraser makes 10k team

Hall doesn't make 10k team

Jorgenson doesn't make 10k team

BTW, my marathon team is Sisson, Hasay, Linden, in no specific order...leaving Huddle/Infeld/Fraser on the 10k team.

Agree/disagree?

This can go down just the way you said(or not seeing as how unpredictable it is) except:

-I'm confident Sisson will also compete in the 10,000 in trials no matter what.

What I think might happen:

I have Hasay and Huddle as equal odds of making it tomorrow. Regardless this is shaping up to be the best women's Marathon trial race ever

If Hasay doesn't make the marathon team I'm not convinced that she could beat Infled in a 10k in a few months.

jjanderson01 wrote:

Predictions:

Sisson makes marathon team, doesn't compete in 10k (or competes in 10k at the Trials, only focuses on marathon in Tokyo)

Huddle doesn't make marathon team, makes 10k team

Infeld makes 10k team

Fraser makes 10k team

Hall doesn't make 10k team

Jorgenson doesn't make 10k team

BTW, my marathon team is Sisson, Hasay, Linden, in no specific order...leaving Huddle/Infeld/Fraser on the 10k team.

Agree/disagree?

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Completely disagree. Hasay has not beat Infeld since college and has been wildly overrated and unsuccessful on the track her entire professional career. Infeld just massively PR'd in the 5k (not her main event), indoors, 1 year post major surgery. Hasay could not touch Infeld's 5k time and this isn't even Infeld's main event.

runfan2012 wrote:

Completely disagree. Hasay has not beat Infeld since college and has been wildly overrated and unsuccessful on the track her entire professional career. Infeld just massively PR'd in the 5k (not her main event), indoors, 1 year post major surgery. Hasay could not touch Infeld's 5k time and this isn't even Infeld's main event.

You completely agree then. Re-read my post, dumb dumb.

I believe Hall was pacing? Maybe she stayed in the race as a workout?

Jorgensen posted on Instagram that it was perfect pacing by Marielle.