Emma Coburn Destroys Mo Farah - "Why anyone would choose to cheer for this person is beyond me."

Bad Wigins wrote:

The L-carnitine thing makes anti-doping look ridiculous, all being based on an arbitrary technical rule unrelated to performance enhancement. Injecting fluids doesn't help you any more than drinking them, even if it's more than 50mL.

Injecting more than 50mL of a solution is exactly the same as injecting 49mL of a more concentrated solution of the exact same thing with the exact same amount of the dissolved stuff. If you're going to bust Mo for something, please let it not be this nonsense. Find an actual PED.

It was disgraceful to use it against Salazar too. The thing Salazar WAS guilty of was distributing T-gel, which did justify his ban as a coach on ethical grounds even if it wasn't to an athlete. Same as if he'd been selling roids to recreational lifters at the local gym.

+1 !Bad Wiggums comes through for once!

rtert wrote:

https://twitter.com/emmajcoburn/status/1231743929458069504

Extremely rude and disrespectful of Emma to post that.

She needs to control her anger and hatred within.

She needs to be stronger than the hate.

She needs to be stronger than the anger.

She needs to be stronger than the sarcasm.

At all times she should be thinking happy and positive thoughts.

She needs to take 6 deep breathes and go to her happy place like in Happy Gilmore.

She needs to apoligize to Mo for saying this about him.

No, you're wrong. Why do so many people wishful-think me ignorant and make such fools of themselves? Look up the rule - it has nothing to do with the delivery of any substance. It's in the section about beating tests, as a suspected method of manipulating blood values by dilution. Even there it's nonsensical because you can do that just effectively by drinking plain old water.

There is no rule against injecting ANY amount of any legal substance that can be dissolved in 50mL of fluid or less. Even if they used the maximum amount of L-cartinine that could be dissolved, it doesn't there was a ban on more - literally ONLY the water was banned. If they'd figured out how to dissolve more L-carnitine in 50mL they'd have been fine.

This is correct . The specific rule is about dilution methods .

Bad Wigins wrote:

Anthos wrote:

If he lied about having the injection, and it was not recorded as having been administered, how can pple be expected to believe the dose administered was within the specified legal limits.

Because there are no legal limits to the dose, only to the volume of the solution which contains it. It's incredibly stupid.

Didn't you all learn the difference between mass and volume in high school science?

What has ur panties in a twist? Infusions of more than 50ml in the space of six hours are prohibited by WADA. If that doesn't constitute a legal dose limit for you, then go climb a door.

Anthos wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Because there are no legal limits to the dose, only to the volume of the solution which contains it. It's incredibly stupid.

Didn't you all learn the difference between mass and volume in high school science?

What has ur panties in a twist? Infusions of more than 50ml in the space of six hours are prohibited by WADA. If that doesn't constitute a legal dose limit for you, then go climb a door.

Or do you think the 50ml imposes no limit on how much can be dissolved therein? Seeing as you a proud graduate of high school science, may be you shd whip out your class notes on solutes, solvents and solutions.

schmutzig wrote:

One guy in the twitter comments insinuating that coburn is anti-Islamic. News flash: He’s just a lying cheat that happens to be Muslim, dumbaśs.

this is one of the problems. Some cultures see everything as us against them confrontation. Therefore even when some of them commit crimes like rapes, the problem/fault is somewhere else.

I never liked Mo. There is something in his attitude in interviews that implies that he is not honest. He seems to be a hypocritical person but I still appreciate what he has accomplished. However, everything what we have heard in past months like his fight in Haile's hotel, incident at the airport and this one now, have ruined his image. The dude seems to be a jerk. Disclosure: I am not going to boycott Nike products.

Regarding the supplements that Mo took I think he was advised to deny that he took them rightly or wrongly and as it seems wrongly advised but he took the advice and now he’s paying the price.

Frankly I feel sorry for Mo because I think he has been manipulated by people who have been looking after him both coaches advisers agents and so forth.

He will soon be approaching the end of his career and let’s hope that he can go out on a good note.

He will be racing on the track in Tokyo again but it will be a tall order for him to be able to win the race.

He can run marathons in the future but I don’t think he will ever be a championship winner in a marathon.

Mohamed Farah is the most successful runner in British history and I think we should respect him for that.

Do you also have respect for Lance Armstrong as the greatest american cyclist?

Lemon King wrote:

Do you also have respect for Lance Armstrong as the greatest american cyclist?

LeMond was better than Armstrong.

nothing out of the ordinary wrote:

NativeSon wrote:

This sums it all.

.....and he was about 23.

This was the 2009 WC final in Berlin. Mo was in position with 1 lap and had zero closing speed. He was 26 and should have been near his prime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4YXfwEa4hM

This is 2 years later, and 6 months after joining Salazar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6s9BmocEko

Really interesting. I'd never watched those two back-to-back. It's amazing how much Farah's form improved in those two years as he moved from "near his prime" to actually in his prime. Also interesting that he ran 13:19 to finish 7th in 2009 but 13:23 to win 2011.

Before we look to attribute Farah's success to doping, for which there isn't even circumstantial evidence - seriously, none at all, nothing of what I have seen would stand up in court even on the balance of probabilities. For me, Farah's success is down to two things:

1. He learned to manage races better.

2. He got very lucky. The very best distance runners went to the roads. Look at that 2009 field - peak Bekele, Lagat, and track Kipchoge. In 2011 he's facing an aging Lagat and a Kipchoge who is transitioning to the marathon.

As for Coburn's comments, she should be airing her views and I'm really happy to see athletes speaking out. I'd like to see more of them speaking out about American athletes too, instead of wrapping themselves in the flag and choosing to believe the best. I listened to the Jared Ward interview on the Clean Sport podcast where he said he chose to give Galen Rupp the benefit of the doubt and believe he is clean until proven otherwise. Kara Goucher said that that was a great outlook but is then all over social media piling into Mo Farah. I'm not saying this is a race issue, but it's definitely one rule for Americans and another for athletes from other countries.

Imagine if it were a Russian athlete being associated with coaches (Salazar and Aden) reputations for doping, a Russian athlete lying to anti doping investigators and only changing the story when he knows they know the truth, Russian medical staff administering intravenous fluids which they have concerns about (he thought there should be a trial first) but not recording it, a Russian athlete who had missed tests, a Russian athlete who trains in areas with poor doping controls, a Russian athlete flagged up as likely doper via biological passport, a Russian national anti doping regime more interested in athlete reputation than clean sport, a Russian national anti doping regime which carries out investigations without speaking to key players before dismissing allegations.

I'm sure world athletics would be up in arms.

Ghost1 wrote:

In Beijing Mo was not yet well trained and he had not yet started training with Alberto Salazar. He lacked strength and he lacked many other things which really helped him to improve to the next level after meeting Salazar.

Therefore one should not insinuate that Farah is cheating.

Until we have conclusive evidence otherwise we should not conclude that he has cheated.

Thank you for taking this into account

Ghost1, chief doping apologist just showed up. For background sake, he’s the guy that wanted to give the Moroccan dope dealer busted in Spain a couple years ago a free pass because of his “upbringing”.

Your post says it all: “he (Farah) had not yet started training with Salazar” (banned coach) and “he lacked many other things” (seeing Aden in sabadell, and Aden training camps in Ethiopia). I tip my hat to your obvious human compassion, but don’t let naïveté or kindness blind you. You’re being duped.

schmutzig wrote:

One guy in the twitter comments insinuating that coburn is anti-Islamic. News flash: He’s just a lying cheat that happens to be Muslim, dumbaśs.

lol typical haha

Most of you fan boys were cheering for Mo and Rupp and Centro a few years ago. Just like you were cheering for Lance. I’m lucky my hatred for these fake people keep me from falling for their accomplishments. You could spot how fake Mo is a mile away. He and his wife and his stupid celebrations.

Can't believe Mo Farah ran 3:28 in two separate seasons. A 10km runner running 3:28 at the age of 32. Still freaks me nut to this day.

To quote Steve Cram who was on commentary when Mo beat his 1500m record, "absolutely unbelievable".

matt_london_413 wrote:

rtert wrote:

https://twitter.com/emmajcoburn/status/1231743929458069504

Extremely rude and disrespectful of Emma to post that.

She needs to control her anger and hatred within.

She needs to be stronger than the hate.

She needs to be stronger than the anger.

She needs to be stronger than the sarcasm.

At all times she should be thinking happy and positive thoughts.

She needs to take 6 deep breathes and go to her happy place like in Happy Gilmore.

She needs to apoligize to Mo for saying this about him.

Thanks for the paternalism Ms. Poppins. Now go back to your little fantasy world where all the children are honest and good.

Dude, she takes issue with Farah lying to anti-doping authorities. That’s her complaint. Farah’s teammates didn’t just have a report out exposing them of this.

Her tweet wasn’t a shot at NOP or Salazar. The Americans weren’t guilty of what she is criticizing.

mol_42 wrote:

schmutzig wrote:

Watch his 5000m heat from 2008 in Beijing, and then genuinely tell me that you thought he’d be a 3:28 man and double olympic champion only 5 years on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7DrNJFdCk8

This was 2005 and the guy runs about as badly as I do. I think we have to give some benefit of the doubt that he has actually improved A LOT as a runner... and it wasn't JUST some magic pills.

Time will tell, but still giving him benefit of the doubt for now...

LOL at people comparing themselves to winner of 5k 10k back to back double gold medals.